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So be it....
i did not serve in air force(been green mud dweller) but simply like airplanes a lot.The politics behind them does not interest me.
So far it seems that F22 does what it is supposed to do.

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1916655)

What you posted Gimpy is pretty much what they said back in the late 50's and early 60's and they where wrong "Our better missiles will win the day dog fighting is a thing of the past old boys".Today we are saying the same thing with the F-22 with even more advanced technology than what was available in the old day and just as likely to perform less than ideally in the real world.

The F-22 is a relic of Cold War thinking that is no longer valid if you ask me.

well, it depends how you USE the fighter. We have dogfighters in our arsenal for sure. all you would need to do is send a mixed group of fighters up.

Give the agile fighters instructions to go in to a dogfight with the enemy, and have the very hard to detect F-22 Provide Top cover.

The minute somebody tries to disengage with those agile little vipers is the F-22's moment to shine. Its fast and stealthy, a perfect hit-and-run fighter.

This is a pretty old tactic and has been used since WWI (in this case the slow but agile Dr.I and Albatross)

The thing is, if and when the US can make its RC channels completely secure (ho-hum) then will the F-22 be the last human operated aircraft in the USAF arsenal? Is the drone the future? Cheap (ish), no human cost, and able to maintain station for lengthy periods without the risk of human fatigue running into it (one pilot gets tired, you pull him out of the chair, put him by the pool and get another pilot to put a quarter in), heck if the work on the micro-batteries pans out then solar powered UAVs could stay in the air indefinitely.

The biggest hurdle at the moment is securing control links.

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1916932)

I don't see how you could make control links secure enough. Only way I see to completely remove manned fighter aircraft from the equation is by developing very smart AI which can take pilot's place.

I'm not sure do I want to do that.

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1916065)

So lets see...

The F-22 is a failure because (based on a mock dogfight) BVR missiles are not as capable as believed.

The F-35 is a failure because (based on anecdotal evidence) BVR surface to air missiles are more dangerous than we believe.

If the DoD listened to the internet the USAF would be flying around in something like this:
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7...nmustang1s.jpg

A country still flying those would get into a whole lot less expensive foreign boondoggles I'd bet. Same if soldiers only wore american looking helmets vs. nazi helmets, and drove around in cheap jeeps. :huh: