They're multiplying! We'll have a whole SSGN of them before long! :doh:

sometimes I wonder if Iran was the goal all the time: we've been beating the war drums since the beginnings of even the iraq campaign

I would say that making sure that we stay the power base in Middle East/Gulf region is the primary long term goal.The original intention of capturing Bin Laden or at least taking out his safe haven was a wise idea to have gotten involved in Iraq was very a bad idea and placed Afghanistan on the back burner.Now we have killed Bin Laden and it is very clear that Al-Qaeda has become very de-centralized there seems to be little point in staying in Afghanistan where our "allies" grow weary of our presence with each day.

Some may argue that there have been no terror attacks in the US since 9/11 but their goal with those attacks was to draw us into a protracted conflict.Al-Qaedas goal was to start a world wide Islamic Jihad with the hopes that the United Sates being the dominate world and economic power would wear itself down over the long term these people where thinking long term not in 5 year term nor ten or 20 year terms they are in it for long haul.

I guess the secret is out: the TLAM Strikes are a series of clones used by the CIA. We are numbered in sequence as we are activated.

TLAM Strike 1 died when he was trampled to death by a lama in Santiago Chile in 1973
TLAM Strike 2 died in a freak paper shredder accident in Tehran in January of 1978
TLAM Strike 3 died in Beirut when he was run over by a taxi cab in 1985.
TLAM Strike 4 died aboard the Mir Space Station when it was destroyed in 1996.

That makes me TLAM Strike 5. :03:

Iranians had similar view.
That is way they got scared during Iraq invasion and froze all nuclear development at the time.
When things turned somewhat bad for USA in the region Iran realised that had nothing to fear....quite the opposite...USA has had it.
Obama's weak polices contributed as well.

Watch out when you get to number six, I hear they can be defective... :O:

Of course they did! But I don't think it was because of what your alluding to The US had just come into a Iraq with Intel THEY MADE UP and and proceeded to occupy the whole place and kick heads in with what pretty much amounts to as total lies now. I mean heck we were using artist concepts as "solid proof" they had mobile WMD labs, and saying metal pipes that could have been for anything (and scientists who make A bombs said something to that effect) were the smoking gun.

now put yourself in Iran's shoes...did they want to be invaded? I'm betting not, so when the United States, a country that already hates your guts is wheeling around the general area on some WMD goose hunt...and you have a nuclear energy program or something that even looks remotely like a bomb program, you are probably going to put that on hold until they are gone or at least till you think it's not an issue

also...what policies have made us weak? The fact that we've realized that 2 wars is unsustainable for a decade and being the bigger person and apologizing for burning a holy book held sacred to many, many people around the world. If we had accidentally fed pork or something to a bunch of people in Israel the right wing would probably shuffling around on their knees begging for the anointed Israel's forgiveness. And you know it's true. They just hint at going to war, and our government largely championed by the right wing pretty much says "How high, and whats the size of the hoop we should bring?"

I don't hate Obama...(obviously)i.m not American and as far as internal politics i don't understand what is this big fuss and hatred toward him.

As far as foreign ME politics the guy was sort of naive type...maybe in the same way as when it comes to dealing with American internal politics.
All this sanctions and pressure on Iran should had come much sooner.
Gentleman talks don't work well around ME.

see, I dunno I can really do without all the saber rattling. I mean speak softly and carry a big stick. We don't have to be the jerks of the world. We can be that big guy at the bar who actually nice, but everybody knows can kick their butt. Iran HAS to be the little cocky guy who need to make a scene to set noticed.

I'm perfectly fine with "naive" politics. we've got more bombs and guns than anybody

also, side not I edited that out because Straw mans are a little bit of a fire hazzard

He's a man not a number!

One last time OT, @Stealhead (errr "steal"? :D )
regarding a made-up AL-Quaeda - or is it Al-Quaida ? They say the latter word is the addendum "i" for indeed making it the word "database" ?
But what do i know.

Anyway i would like you to watch this video i already posted, and tell me what you think of it ? This is not a nutjob video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYo...layer_embedded#!

Because regardless what the word means, a terror organisation with Bin Laden at its top, seems not to have existed. So he received training and weapons, just like everyone else in those scattered groups fighting the russians in Afghanistan, but indeed not personally - he was not a leader.



Even more OT, which was the number of the TLAMstrike i used to know ?!
Only deception and spy games :oops:
:rotfl2:

Who died of shame when the Spelling Nazi pointed out that "Llama" has two "l"s. :O:

Hate is a strong emotion and IMO it's how some get others to vote a certain way, the same can be said of either party.

Read ' The Prince'.



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I still say that your video link is a documentary that wishes to express an opinion just because any documentary says something does not make it true.For example the NRA can make a documentary that tells you that less gun regulation and more gun ownership is a good thing and an anti-gun organisation can just as easily make a documentary that says the exact opposite.

What exactly is the source that anything they say is true.Last time I checked the BBC was not MI6 or the CIA.

So "they" say the added i means that it means database I highly suspect that they are rely on the fact that few westerns seeing or reading this information can peak Arabic and will
trust what they say rather than look up the information form an outside source.

Catfish I fear that you have taken the bait hook,line and sinker.

There is no official standard for writing Arabic words in English so unless you also speak Arabic or have a way to find a source to explain what a word is than anyone can make up what the meaning is to deceive.

Why do "they" not say that Hamas,Hezbollah,or al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are made up? Because it does not suit there interest.

What you say about reports or documentaries is certainly right, however it always is good to think about who gains most out of a situation, or event that happened. And think about all sides without prejudice.

If we come to that i am indeed of the opinion, that free independent journalism (and the BBC is not the Sun) can indeed more be trusted, than the MI6, or CIA. I mean apart of what they tell themselves, vs. what is told to the public. And there is always some aloofness, even between befriended services. Our territory, your territory.

It is not made up, it is just used in another way, but then you obviously did not watch the video and links i posted further north.