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SubV 10-20-11 05:25 PM

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Life in Libya with Leader Gaddafi:

1. Electricity for household use is free,
2. interest-free loans
3. during the study, governmant give to every student 2 300 dolars/month

4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,
5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,
6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,
7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),
8. buying cars at factory prices,
9. LIBYA not owe anyone a cent,
10. free higher education abroad,
11. 25% of highly educated,
12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,
13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,
14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),
15. 6% poor people,
16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.
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Colonel Muammar Gadaffi is frequently referred to in the media as a "mad dictator" and "bloody tyrant", but do these allegations accord with the facts?


Libya consists of over 15O tribes, with the two main groups, the Meghabra living in Tripolitania in the west and the Wafallah living in Cyrenaica in the east. Previous attempts to unite these tribes by the Turkish (1855-1911) and ltalian {1911-43) colonial rulers failed and the country was split in two for administrative purposes.

Oil was discovered in Libya in 1959, but King ldris of the Senussi tribe allowed most of the oil profits to be siphoned into the coffers of the oil companies. The coup d'etat on 1 September 1969 led by Colonel Gadaffi had countrywide support. He subsequently married a woman from the royal Barqa tribe and adroitly unified the nation.


By retaining Libya's oil wealth for the benefit of all its people, Gadaffi had created a socialist paradise. There is no unemployment, Libya has the highest GDP in .Africa, less than 5% of the population is classified as poor and it has fewer people living below the poverty datum line than for example in Holland. Life expectancy is 75 years and is the highest in Africa and I0% above the world average.

With the exception of the nomadic Bedouin and Tuareg tribes, most Libyan families possess a house and a car. There is free health care and education and not surprisingly Libya has a literacy rate of 82%. Last year Gadaffi distributed $500 to each man, woman and child (population 6.5 million).

Libya has a tolerable human rights record and stands at 61 on the International Incarceration Index, comparable with countries in central Europe (the lower the rating, the lower the standing - the USA occupies the no.1 spot!). There is hardly any crime and only rebels and traitors are dealt with harshly.


Anyone who has read Gadaffi's little Green Book will realize that he is a thoughtful and enlightened leader. Libya has been accused of having committed numerous acts of terrorism in the past, but many of these have been perpetrated by foreign intelligence agencies as false flag operations - the Lockerbie bombing being a prime example. The CIA and MI6 and their frontmen have been stoking up dissent in the east of the country for almost 30 years.

Libya produces exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in the world.
Riba (usury) is not permitted.
The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West.


The no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the protection of civilians. It is an act of war * a blatant and crude attempt by the oil corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya.
Read this, you CNN brainwashed people. Your ignorance is ridiculous.

http://libyasos.blogspot.com/p/gaddafi.html

MH 10-20-11 05:34 PM

So which tribes had those benefits?

Did you read the green book too?
Its true that some of his ideas had been put into practice regarding education and equality but its not that good.

Tribesman 10-20-11 05:39 PM

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Read this, you CNN brainwashed people. Your ignorance is ridiculous.
:har::har::har::har::har:
Ignorance eh:88)

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Anyone who has read Gadaffi's little Green Book will realize that .....
You have got to be kidding:rotfl2:

soopaman2 10-20-11 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SubV (Post 1771680)
So many brainwashed people here...

Orwell was obviously right.


You should at least elaborate ,sir.:)

So we know which one of us you are calling morons, and said morons can defend their viewpoints.

SubV 10-20-11 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1771711)
Ignorance eh:88)

If not ignorance, then hypocrisy.

A bunch of fascists brought the chaos, death and destruction into the peaceful country under fake slogans of "democracy", "human rights" etc.

That's the truth, not your brainwashing TV propaganda.

MH 10-20-11 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SubV (Post 1771717)
If not ignorance, then hypocrisy,

......... under fake slogans of "democracy", "human rights" etc.

That's the truth, not your brainwashing TV propaganda.


oh well...i can somewhat agree on that lol

Jimbuna 10-20-11 05:53 PM

You know...if life under his rule was so good then why did so many of his people take up arms against him? :hmmm:

CCIP 10-20-11 05:54 PM

But what's the truth and how do you know? If the Green Book and the Lybian information minister are your main sources, that's not gonna be terribly effective.

With foreign media, I don't doubt whitewashing and bias - but at least you can triangulate it via many journalists from many countries on the ground. If it were only CNN reporting it, I'd understand that, but considering you can go and see a mostly similar image emerging on the same things on Al Jazeera, BBC, Russian, Japanese or South American television (and believe me, I've checked), I'd give it a little more credence than something produced under a tightly-centralized regime. There is inevitably a tilt here, and inevitably everybody is caught up in a "romance" with what's really a volatile and difficult situation. But that lends no credence or support to the opposite perspective in and of itself.

Of course the victors are gonna write the history, but it's ludicrous to suggest that "the truth" is property of the sources allied to a regime as incredulous and tightly-controled as Gaddafi's.

TLAM Strike 10-20-11 06:36 PM

Footage of Qaddafi. Looks like he was captured alive... after that well...

Oberon 10-20-11 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1771747)

Like Jim said, a 200km ambulance ride to Misrata? Heh, only one way he was going to end that trip. I don't think a trial was ever an option for the NTC, not that they would admit it. :03:

Torplexed 10-20-11 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1771747)

Kicked, pistol-whipped and shot by his fellow Libyans. So much for being loved by his people.

Kongo Otto 10-20-11 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1771721)
You know...if life under his rule was so good then why did so many of his people take up arms against him? :hmmm:

Well changing one corrupt dictatorship with another mostly even more corrupt regime is a North African Tradition. simple as that.
There will be no Democracy or anykind of freedom for the individual as we know it, they will just have the choose between the Devil and the Deep Blue sea.
I have biggest concerns about what will come after him, maybe something even worse!
Take the Iran as example the Shah Reza Pahlevi was worse, no doubt about it, but what did come with Khomeini and afterwards was even more worse.

Platapus 10-20-11 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1771721)
You know...if life under his rule was so good then why did so many of his people take up arms against him? :hmmm:

Well, how many actually did take up arms and how does that number compare with the population?

We should know those numbers before we can figure out whether your statement has any validity.

the_tyrant 10-20-11 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1771779)
Well, how many actually did take up arms and how does that number compare with the population?

We should know those numbers before we can figure out whether your statement has any validity.

I believe in a stable country even 1% is too much
just think about it this way, you might say Obama sucks, but so far I have not heard of a single american who has risen up in revolt.

I believe that a huge portion of the population is pissed at him, just not enough to warrant risking their neck

magicstix 10-20-11 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant (Post 1771787)
I believe in a stable country even 1% is too much
just think about it this way, you might say Obama sucks, but so far I have not heard of a single american who has risen up in revolt.

I believe that a huge portion of the population is pissed at him, just not enough to warrant risking their neck

Why risk their neck when they can just vote him out next year? Why didn't the Libyans just do the same? Oh... wait...


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