Let's not forget that failure to reach and agreement on a raise in the debt ceiling by the president's arbitrary deadline will not automatically trigger a debt default.

This country has previously reached/surpassed the debt cap, and not defaulted.

The Treasury takes in more than enough in daily receipts to service the national debt, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, etc.

The only way the U.S. defaults at this point is if the Treasury Department, i.e. the Executive Branch, decides NOT to service the debt first.

That particular ball sits squarely in BHO's personal court.

It's all politics, they'll work out a short term deal and then it's the blame game, but it is possible we lose our credit rating.

Fair enough. I apologise if I misunderstood your intent.

But the Congress would still be able to accept or reject whatever plan this new group came up with. I think I adequately pointed out that the Constitution gives the Congress all power in money matters, and doesn't specify what they can or can't do to accomplish the task; so yes, I think they are within their Constitutional power to do this. I will be glad to be proven wrong, because I hate this idea.

I will say one thing in its favor, though. What would be forbidden in the main vote by Congress as a whole would be the ability to amend or attach riders to it, and I also hate riders. Things that would never get approved get shovelled through with some bill that will pass easily, and Congress doesn't have the energy or the interest to remove them. That said, this doesn't begin to outweigh the evils of this plan as far as I'm concerned.

I can tell now the lame argument from the supporters of this would be : The Super Congress is actually a committee and would still allow for a vote with from both houses of congress so it is constitutional.Pure crap, this is first term con law material.Same thing with healthcare mandate at the federal level, those with legal training who try to say it's constitutional, they know better and are just being intellectually dishonest.Not going off on a side show, just same old crap, usually from the lefties and neo cons.They know damn well what is and is not constitutional but they really could care less so they lie and try to twist it, hope it sticks.


Good news is we agree this is a bad idea.[/QUOTE]

Update 1 August, 2011:

The so-called “Super Congress” that is about to be created with the debt ceiling vote will have powers far beyond just controlling the nation’s purse strings – its authority will extend to target the second amendment – eviscerating normal protections that prevent unconstitutional legislation from being fast-tracked into law.
As the Huffington Post reported last month, the debt deal that has already been passed by the House and faces the Senate tomorrow will create an unconstitutional “Super Congress” that will be comprised of six Republicans and six Democrats and granted “extraordinary new powers” to quickly force legislation through both chambers.
Legislation decided on by the Super Congress would be immune from amendment and lawmakers would only be able to register an up or down vote, eliminating the ability to filibuster. The Speaker of the House would effectively lose the power to prevent unpopular bills from making it to the House floor.



But far from just being a committee that would make recommendations concerning the debt ceiling, the body is now to be granted “even greater super powers, according to multiple news reports and congressional aides with knowledge of the plan,” writes Michael McAuliff.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) pulled no punches in making it plain that the Super Congress would have supreme authority. “The joint committee — there are no constraints,” Reid said on the Senate floor. “They can look at any program we have in government, any program. … It has the ability to look at everything.”
That includes introducing laws to restrict the second amendment, states a Gun Owners of America bulletin, warning that the body would be “a super highway for gun control legislation”.
“Gun owner registration … bans on semi-automatic firearms … adoption of a UN gun control treaty — all of these issues could very well be decided over the next 24 hours,” states the GOA release.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) echoed Reid’s sentiment, asserting that the Super Congress was “not a commission, this is a powerful, joint committee.”


The Obama administration has already indicated that it will take the deciding vote as the de facto 13th member of the Super Congress. During his press briefing today, White House press secretary Jay Carney said that the government would work with the Super Congress to hike taxes in 2012 and beyond.
Barack Obama has already exercised his fetish for executive autonomy by launching the attack on Libya without Congressional approval, bypassing Congress and having the EPA declare carbon dioxide a pollutant, as well as the appointment of ten state governors directly selected by him who will work with the federal government to help advance the “synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States”.
The administration’s zeal to target the second amendment “under the radar,” as Obama promised earlier this year, has also manifested itself in the form of ATF harassment of gun owners who purchase two or more firearms, despite the fact that the law to mandate such a policy failed to pass.
The establishment of a “Super Congress” will completely demolish the credibility and the authority of the system of elected representatives. It represents another final nail in the coffin of the American Republic and its replacement with an executive dictatorship run by the political elite.


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It's been a while but, is the time for another American Revolution drawing near?

So, what makes the super congress legal.. What precedent is it based on? IF something goes through a committee does that mean a vote can go thru with a simple majority ruling? could someone enlighten me?

I have some bad news for you. They didn't succeed the first time.

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I've lived in Alabama, son. You're welcome to it. :up:

North Alabama: OK.
South Alabama: No thank you.

Probably not. We don't all heed the patriot's call.

Slick. I see what you did there. :rock:

Obviously.