"It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."

— John Adams

No, they're not POW's. They're not held according to the standards POW's should be held at. And you're twisting in weird ways here to say that they're POW's while at the same time they're not. Make a choice.

Also: torturing isn't mistreating?Another alternative is that they're given a fair trial. You realize that your argument here can be made for domestic criminals too? Do you support the president and/or CIA singling out citizens in your city to be imprisoned without trial?

Its a twisted wired war with lots of contradictions.
Its not exactly that US is fighting Afghan army.
US is fighting religious fanatics and murderers to whom its difficult to apply normative rules.
They are not regular army POWS they are terrorist who don't use western rules of engagement and conducts.
Who never heard of Geneva Conversion but just Allah will.

The evidence obtained against them while solid may not necessary be acceptable in court of law for various reasons.
Not necessarily torture.

I think Taters right. We should have just executed those AQ killers upon capture, preferably in a nice gory and painful way.

After all nobody gave a nice cushy cell and a personal copy of the Koran to any of the 9-11 victims.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kBeBofswWZ...11-Victims.jpg

Which you state with no justification. Anyone disagrees with you? You just say they have no point. As I said, it's an easy game to play.

Yes, really. His relevant point was that mistakes made there have actually been looked into and corrected. The majority of prisoners there have indeed been released or moved. You call that irrelevant?

Since your original point was your usual trashing of America, period, I guess not much. Your obvious hatred wears thin after awhile.

The difficulty of identifying of guilty and innocent has very much to do with the complications of running the facility. You dismiss that as "irrelevant" because it suits you to ignore it.

I addressed that. You ignored it. If it doesn't condemn America, it's irrelevant.

This I agree with, and there are problems that need fixing. My objection to this thread is Tribesman's greater agenda, which is to find any excuse he can to attack the US, and then dismiss anyone who argues against him.

This is why post #2 has: :03:

Actually a growing trend worth of investigating.

@Tater
And?

Is there any special reason why criminals cannot be put on trial?

You still won't see it.
There are dozens of prison camps, what is so very much different in this case?

Complete bull.
You still are refusing to go anywhere near the subject at hand.

More bull.
The complaint is specific to this facility and the stated claims made for its creation and use.

That is rich since you havn't even gone near the subject.

Yet again a mile wide of the mark.
Well done tater , you have managed to show again in detail how you have no point.

@Steve
The justification has already been stated.

Is that the mistake? No.

Yes irrelevant.
What is the facility at Gitmo and what was it created for?
As I said the fact that most of the prisoners have been released destroys the very reasons given for its creation and the justifications of it existing.

It is dismissed as irrelevant as it has nothing to do with this situation.

Wrong as it didn't even touch the subject, wrong because I didn't ignore it in the slightest and wrong because that is pure bull.

I had expected better of you, you are not normally as blind.

Try again steve, what was ther reason for the facility at Gitmo and what is the rationale behind it?
Until you answer them truthfully you are stuck in a loop of irrelevance which doesn't even approach the topic.

Wow August chimes in, ain't it funny.
If these people were AQ killers what on earth are they being released for? Surely they are dangerous criminals, they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Surely since they were in Cuba they are not only mere AQ killers they were the worst of the worst of the AQ killers, after all they were the baddest of the bad of the many many thousands of prisoners arrested:yep:

He actually said that? How arrogant and closed minded can you get? :nope: I see my ignore list decision has been vindicated.

Mookie, the sad thing is that the points he raises to try and approach the issue tend to destroy his own argement when applied to the actual issue raised.

That depends from what theological angle you look at from and how you are willing to apply the ideological but disfunctioning data to current perception of reality vs actual state of things in real world.:yawn:

Obvious troll is obvious.

So you support the crowd that follow the blind my country right or wrong line Steve. That is sad.
You seem to also support taters attempts at spinning nonsense rather than facing reality which is very sad.
But thats OK you are free to support the obvious lies you were sold, you are free to defend the pointless exercise that your government chose to run, after all it is you that pays

Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtTt_M17xqo

Join the chant steve?

I think tater is of the mindset "the victors make all the rules." That being said, if someone ever came to his home that happened to be in a battlefield and detained him, his wife or kids prisioned for life just for being there, he obviously would have no problem with it, after all they're just minor numbers.

What's worse, it would probably be our government do it, not an invader.