This is the first time I've popped into this forum for monthhhhsss.
Nothings changed wrt SH5... Funny thing is that I don't even miss it, maybe if DRM had to dissapear, I might miss it, maybe... depends

I know, but what's the point of making an improvement to a product if you don't tell anyone about it? That's what surprises me. Since they've already admitted to the foot-shooting by making this change, why not capitalize on it.

With their record of horrible customer relations, you'd think they'd welcome an opportunity to show (or at least claim) that they've changed.

Right, I should have put it more general -- it wasn't meant particularly about any one person, but ridiculing anybody is surely not making this forum more appealing to outside readers.

I don’t think you can make a statement like this in any one thread contained in the SH5 Forums.
Just take a look at about 90% of all the threads the continuous scraping between Members and the
slamming of this product has taken a huge toll on the Silent Hunter Forums as a whole.
Just take a look at the viewing numbers on most sites and see how much of a drop they are suffering.
If you don’t use something and have no intention of buying it or even that your computer cannot run it how can you think that any comment you make about it is a valid comment in the first place this should be the Question. :hmmm:

That's the only reason for my original comment. I have been following subsim since 2002, or 2003 (I don't recall, maybe even before), and most intensely after jumping into SHIII. But you might be right, the tone at subsim has changed over the years. I don't embrace that, though. It is still an enjoyable forum. But I start to regret my original post -- should I better have sit back and watch the show unfold again, as in so many previous threads?

I am convinced it will run it one day (soon?) -- else I would not be coming to this forum and watch how the modding community makes progress. So I do have plans to buy it, but I have decided to wait primarily to until the modding has made so much progress that it can surpass the supermodded SHIII I got so used to. But this doesn't change my opinion that ridiculing and all this kind of discussion (this as well), doesn't make this forum any better.

They did, since years here in Germany the budget version of SH3 is still patched to 1.4 and starforce-free, but Ubisoft has never announced it to the public:D

janh, I was teasing a friend of mine. I am sorry that you found it offensive, but you are making mountains out of molehills.

You are right, I probably got overly annoyed with some posts, sorry.

any plans on them finishing the game with a patch or just toying with their silly anti-pirate technology?

would have been nice for ubi to spend as much time on their content as they did they're protections.. :nope:

bring back relic and barking dog studios, my $.02.

Just think how better the product could be if they invested in the ultimate anti-piracy measure...a well written and thorough manual.

But I digress, Privateer has it right when he points out they shot themselves in the foot. Though look at it more as having shot themselves in the the left-foot whilst currently aiming at the righ-foot.

Whatever happens UBIsoft is a tarnished brand, in my eyes it will take them years if ever to recover from this.

i dont think they give a ....!

Agreed. I will not buy any more Ubisoft products.

I've actually spent most of my time mitigating between the absolute haters and the absolute lovers, and I have never condemned SH5 - just the DRM part. Regarding your last sentence, I have every intention of buying it, even though my current computer probably will not run it. I bought SH4 knowing I couldn't play it right away, as I was homeless at the time and couldn't play anything. Since this is a thread stating that part of the DRM has been dropped, and my only comment was that I wouldn't buy it until they completely and officially removed the DRM. Considering those circumstances, do you still think my comments are invalid?

i dont think they realise, brand awareness is a powerful thing you just have to look at Apple, Star Wars or Armani as examples.

i think they believe they have gotten away with it on the basis that other product lines have done rather well.

truth is I didn't buy AssCreed or SplinterCell:CV despite having an interest in them I thought 'nah its UBIsoft, best not'. Thats not me being an ass or overly bitter about SH5 it just an opinion a thought that steers me away.

It makes me sad because I see such potential, and real genius behind SH5 its not a million miles away from being Game of the Year, the fundementals are there.

if I was an UBI exec I would be worried because I play a lot of games and I pay for them and I am likely to be one of many.

it will cost them a lot more than the commision of the purchase price of one consumer trust me, people maybe selfish and greedy but they aren't stupid.

It makes me sad to see things this way SH5 is not a million miles away from Game of the Year, there is some real genious and hard work behind it, it just needs to blossom....

If you look at the install folder of the Ubisoft Launcher

C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\data\

it contains in the SH5 folder \3 a subfolder called \osis\13

this folder containing newer versions of some SH5 dll's (date: 14.10.2010) probably installed by one of the last Launcher updates.

The launcher software, which manage the permanent internet connection of Ubi's DRM games, now calls functions from those dll's instead of those original ones in the SH5 install folder.

If you rename this /osis folder and start SH5, the original dlls from the SH5 folder are used and then SH5 needs again a persistent online connection.:D