Originally Posted by applesthecat (Post 1456774)

We clearly see men in the water being shot at. I don't know why you insist in arguing that it could be something else, when we see a man being shot in the water, and other sailors shooting hand held guns into the water. We even see bullet splashes near the men. Are you going to suggest that those splashes could be bird droppings? This is what convoluted means. In order to remain in denial, one needs to resort to ever more convoluted reasoning to explain away what is actually happening.

Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa (Post 1456813)

why did i start this thread?... it seems everyone is arguing now!:cry:

Originally Posted by robbo180265 (Post 1456887)

It was a very emotive theme, I could see it coming a mile off lol.

That said , I prefer to call it a heated discussion.:03:


Now - where did I put my popcorn?

Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa (Post 1456813)

why did i start this thread?... it seems everyone is arguing now!:cry:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1456942)

The only way you'll ever avoid that possibility is to never start a thread. You don't want to go down that road - it's even worse than things like this.

On the other hand, you didn't really think a thread expressing a desire to murder people in lifeboats was all that innocent, did you?

Originally Posted by robbo180265 (Post 1456221)

I hate to rain on you parade once more but:

"Red Army troops began storming the Chancellery at approximately 23:00, about 7 hours and 30 minutes after Hitler's death. On 2 May the remains of Hitler, Braun and two dogs (thought to be Blondi and her offspring Wulf) were discovered in a shell crater by a unit of SMERSH which had orders to find Hitler's body.
The autopsy, contrary to public reports authorized by Stalin in 1945, recorded both gunshot damage to Hitler's skull and glass shards in his jaw. However, Stalin was wary about believing his old nemesis was dead.[15][16] The remains of Hitler and Braun were repeatedly buried and exhumed by SMERSH during the unit's relocation from Berlin to a new facility in Magdeburg where they, along with the charred remains of propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels and those of his wife Magda Goebbels and their six children, were buried in an unmarked grave beneath a paved section of the front courtyard. The location was kept highly secret.[17]
In 1969 Soviet journalist Lev Bezymensky's book on the SMERSH autopsy report was published in the West but because of earlier disinformation attempts historians may have thought it untrustworthy.[18]
In 1970 the SMERSH facility, by then controlled by the KGB, was scheduled to be handed over to the East German government. Fearing that a known Hitler burial site might become a Neo-Nazi shrine, KGB director Yuri Andropov authorised an operation to destroy the remains. A Soviet KGB team was given detailed burial charts and on 4 April 1970 they secretly exhumed and thoroughly burned the ten bodies, after which the ashes were thrown into in the Biederitz river, a tributary of the nearby Elbe river.[17][19]"

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler

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Originally Posted by Sgt_Raa (Post 1456968)

WOW... didnt know they went into it that deep.
i learned different in school.... guess my school taught thousands of kids wrong history info!
i can accept whe im wrong.
thanks for the info robbo

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1456990)

I have a friend who says that he didn't fall in love with history until he was in this thirties (somewhat like myself) and at that time he was suddenly possessed by a desire to find his old high-school history teacher and beat him bloody for making it so boring!
:rotfl2:

Some people complain about schools and school boards having special agendas for teaching things a certain way. I feel the greater likelihood is that they have a limited amount of time, and can only present what they think is most important.

Do you want to know more about a specific piece of history? Read several books that discuss the same subject, preferably from different points of view. Want to know more about a specific person? Read every biography you can find on that person, or else ask someone who has read many to recommend the one he things is best if you don't have time for more than one.

Never trust what any single person says about a subject. The more footnotes provided the better, but even then you need to assume the chance that they might be slanting the story one way or another.

And going into a discussion always assume you may be wrong, and don't state what you can't actually prove. The person who assumes he's right is the person who can't deal with what happens when it turns out he's wrong. And sooner or later every one of us is wrong about something.