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OneToughHerring 06-01-10 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1408612)
What is your point, exactly, other than your knee-jerk anti-Americanism?

OP says the US acknowledged the mistake. The report in fact was pretty harsh. They will absorb the lesson, and try to do better next time. I have seen no posts here saying, "tough crap, 'camel jockeys,' I hope we kill more of your children."

The two POVs here seem to be:

Yours: that American is bad, and that the US accidentally killing noncombatants is tantamount to intentional attacks on civilians, and must in fact be what we want.

Mine (and others): that the US tries to minimize noncombatant deaths, but sometimes does so anyway, which is unfortunate, but a reality of war.

The US seeks to mitigate attacks largely because it is right to do so, but we also do it because it is in our interest to do so. The latter motivation is far more important, since our interest in this case is a long-term one, and is more reliable than "doing the right thing."
What do you mean, anti-ah-mu-ri-can? It's those darn camel jockeys who are anti-ah-mu-ri-can. They ain't up to no good and I just know it. Yea I know some boys over there in Eye-Raac and Af-Ghaa-N-Staan who are getting some pretty good kills. Confirmed kills. So what if some aren't carrying weapons, they looked like they were. They might have just left their weapons at home. One things for sure, they won't be carrying no weapons no more, or shootin' at no Ah-mu-ri-cans no more.

tater 06-01-10 12:49 PM
Again, you fail to answer. What is your point other than attacking the US?

Who here said that they deserved to die or that it was a good thing at any level?

It is not US policy to intentionally kill civilians, or we'd have already wiped all of them out.

It is not in US interest to kill civilians for political/geopolitical reasons.

It is not in the interest of individual US troops to kill civilians, because as decent human beings, they don't like to do this.

Jimbuna 06-01-10 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1408620)
Again, you fail to answer. What is your point other than attacking the US?
It looks like you've answered answered your question already.

Mr HERRING never answers with anything other than further provocative statements that blatantly fail to answer any counter opinions put against his own.

They usually consist of anti US or Brit diatribe that further degenerate the thread in question.

Look at his history of thread topics commenced by himself....a disruptive influence if ever I saw one.

I should imagine this is the only American forum, a forum with an American majority of members to boot that put up with his incessant ramblings.

I wonder who'll be sharing a room with him at the forthcoming SS Meet :cool:

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Bilge_Rat 06-01-10 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1408696)



They usually consist of anti US or Brit diatribe that further degenerate the thread in question.
..or anti-jewish..:nope:

the only good thing is that I doubt anyone here takes what he says seriously.

Onkel Neal 06-01-10 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tater (Post 1408620)
Again, you fail to answer. What is your point other than attacking the US?

Who here said that they deserved to die or that it was a good thing at any level?

It is not US policy to intentionally kill civilians, or we'd have already wiped all of them out.

It is not in US interest to kill civilians for political/geopolitical reasons.

It is not in the interest of individual US troops to kill civilians, because as decent human beings, they don't like to do this.
Why, oh why, do you fall for this stuff? :) You keep replying to him, he will keep pushing your buttons....

OneToughHerring 06-01-10 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1408733)
..or anti-jewish..:nope:

the only good thing is that I doubt anyone here takes what he says seriously.
Yes, anyone who criticises the wholesale slaughter of, say, Afghanis is anti-Jewish in your eyes.

Good thing you didn't use the word anti-semitic though, since there are other Semitic people besides the Jews.

Bilge_Rat 06-01-10 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1408742)
Yes, anyone who criticises the wholesale slaughter of, say, Afghanis is anti-Jewish in your eyes.
no, I would not say that about any other forum member, but you have proved time and time again your prejudice against jews.

You seem to take some pleasure out of it when all it does is undercut your credibility when you try to post something semi-sensible.

As it is, I presume most members just see you as some kind of comic relief...:woot:

tater 06-01-10 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1408742)
Yes, anyone who criticises the wholesale slaughter of, say, Afghanis is anti-Jewish in your eyes.

Good thing you didn't use the word anti-semitic though, since there are other Semitic people besides the Jews.
Wholesale? Hardly. The Tokyo firebombing raid was "wholesale" at 102,000 killed in one night. Anything less than tens of thousands per attack is not wholesale given our capabilities.

Presumably you were one who agreed with the idiotic comparison of Gitmo to the Soviet Gulag made in the US press a few years ago. That's right, detaining a few hundred equates to the murder of millions, and the accidental death of 20-something equates to area bombing. Got it.

tater 06-01-10 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1408740)
Why, oh why, do you fall for this stuff? :) You keep replying to him, he will keep pushing your buttons....
I'm bored today. Nothing more than that :)

tater

PS—he actually is incapable of pushing any of my buttons. He's 100% predictable, I can imagine his take on virtually any subject like this before he posts. He acts as a characakture of a certain viewpoint that is unfortunately common. As such, he's a good straw man.

Weiss Pinguin 06-01-10 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1408618)
What do you mean, anti-ah-mu-ri-can? It's those darn camel jockeys who are anti-ah-mu-ri-can. They ain't up to no good and I just know it. Yea I know some boys over there in Eye-Raac and Af-Ghaa-N-Staan who are getting some pretty good kills. Confirmed kills. So what if some aren't carrying weapons, they looked like they were. They might have just left their weapons at home. One things for sure, they won't be carrying no weapons no more, or shootin' at no Ah-mu-ri-cans no more.
You seem to have developed a serious speech impediment, I suggest a good doctor. :hmmm:

Ducimus 06-01-10 03:13 PM
I'm surprised to see so many replies to a blatant troll post from a user who's agenda and views have become quite obvious over time. He's undeserving of even the 15 seconds it took to write these two sentences.

AVGWarhawk 06-01-10 03:13 PM
Don't take bait:

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Weiss Pinguin 06-01-10 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1408766)
I'm surprised to see so many replies to a blatant troll post from a user who's agenda and views have become quite obvious over time. He's undeserving of even the 15 seconds it took to write these two sentences.
Now I'm just trying to see how ridiculous he can get ;)

OneToughHerring 06-01-10 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1408749)
no, I would not say that about any other forum member, but you have proved time and time again your prejudice against jews.

You seem to take some pleasure out of it when all it does is undercut your credibility when you try to post something semi-sensible.

As it is, I presume most members just see you as some kind of comic relief...:woot:
Not all Jews are zionists, as I'm sure you know but are still trying to pull the ol' smear trick on me. Also I think you know what anti-zionist Jews have to say about zionists but are just kind of trying to forget about it. :)

Jimbuna 06-01-10 03:23 PM
My underlying concern is for the poor unfortunate who may be having a bad day some time in the future and inadvertently, without thinking responds to the constant and repetitive baiting and is punished for a moments indiscretion.

And this comes from someone who hasn't posted a BPR on this thread but has had numerous incomers stating their annoyance at the sh!te they see coming repeatedly from the same individual source.

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