You are right in some degree, but in the same time, I know that there should be someone from time to time to say things in a not so very diplomatic way, while maintaining a decent level of the words chosen. My angst comes from the fact that I love so much this submarine simulation genre, not from pure hatred or something like that towards anyone here. And I know that some folks here understands me. When I've tried to support the inddependent project Danger From The Deep almost nobody was interested, instead a vast majority of people are interested in UBI RPG/shooter unfinished products. It's sad for me.

'Me' is not the right approach, Gunno. Don't you think we all want SH5 to be the best title in the series so far? Of course we all do.
People just have different approaches to a goal.

Some are willing to accept another unfinished product and hope for mods and patches. Others are ruling out the product from day one because of the DRM scheme, yet others refuse to accept the state of the game and start kicking around in anger.

You seem to be on an endeavor to 'convert' everyone to your cause and kick those who don't. Just accept the fact that there will always be people who think differently.

This doesn't make your mission any less relevant and this doesn't deprive you from your rights to say how you think. Just keep the 'personal' edge out of your conversations. That makes a discussion only needlessly nasty and will quickly kill the possibility of gaining people for the cause as well.

The fact that you said you connect the feeling you have of dissapointment with the game to your people is ripe for a reality check.
It's not a national disaster, it's just a product which can be objectively stamped good or bad by facts.
And you should disconnect your national pride from the devteam just because they have the same nationality.
For instance, if you fail at your job on a particularly bad day, do you think the Romanian people will declare a day of mourning because you failed your country?

No, but unfortunately, we don't have many things to be proud of as a nation, we've murdered our president on Christmas Eve, we've turned the weapons against our ally in WWII, we have been thrashed by every major power through the centuries and so on. And every lost opportunity to be somehow proud by something made by Romanian people annoys me. Even for a such insignificant fact thing SH5. It's easier for you, I know.:)

There's nothing wrong with healthy nationalism, Gunno. But there's no use spilling your guts on a game enthousiasts forum.
You should revert to political message boards if your frustration is caused by your pride. You can fight as much rounds as you want over there with probably quite a lot of people giving you some sincere opposition.

A gamers board in not really the place for that.

As said before, you can point out your point of view about the games discussed and label them good or bad, but the pesonal attack attitude has to stop.

It'll only make you be perceived as a bitter forum troll and that won't have any benefits for you either.
For example, the way you come across to me in your reply to Ela's statement in the other thread is that you continue to look for ways to grief him eventhough you got the statement you wanted.
You seem to turn his statement around into the negative suggesting he might be elusive in his wording. This is clearly a personal attack.
Just accept a few things now and then. It'll make you feel more at ease as well, buddy.

Blaming your own kind for releasing a half-baked game looks quite like anti-patriotism to me - as a Romanian you should be supporting them by reporting as much bugs as possible (the earlier you report them, the faster SH5 devs will fix em) and encouraging them to release patches as fast as possible. :hmm2:
In my opinion looking for any kind of gratitude, appreciation, gratefulness for releasing something as superficial as a :o video-game in this %@£$§& &# world only shows that you're desperate, dude.

:doh:

Yeah, well, this outrage is a long standing tradition with the Silent Hunter series and subsim.com, and in a way I find it amusing. (Only because there are other good games out there at the moment)

Despite all this I will buy the game today, I dont think boycott is the way to go. I probably wont play it much, though. Yet.

Yea really, gawd 2 wasted threads already this morning

Maybe I am not more desperate than you, but that is debatable. And for now I don't have the time to have this debate. Maybe another time!

Same here. Outrage in 2007, same in 2005. It is a slap in the face etc. DRM omg. Nerdragery is so tiresome. I mean, if people would turn the knob down on their vehemance it might be a little more tolerable for everyone. Boycott is just silly. Wait and see is a better approach honestly.

The thing is, venting just creates bad vibes. I mean, think of it as yelling really loud all day about how you hate the noise and pollution where you live. So does your neighbour, but now he has to endure your noise pollutoin as well.

I'm looking forward to see what patch 1.2 corrects. I will buy SH5 from you Ubi, with drm and everything, but I won't do it untill you've got it in proper ship shape - sorry guys :)

As a consolation prize I just went and bought SH IV Gold Edition to pass time while I wait for SH5.

Stabiz, Immacolata,

Agree completely. Everytime a new SH gets released, its like a contest around here to see who can scream the loudest and the most times about what a POS the game is.

Some posters actually seem to think that if they post the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over....that we will actually give them any credence.