Jeepers Crackers Fellers.
What the hell is wrong with people here?
It's not a matter of life or death.
It's a sodding game.
What the hell is wrong with you?

We get what we get.
And what we pay for.
It may, or may not be value for money.

But it's not worth starting a frigging war over, surely?

Well, of course you're free.

But personally, I wouldn't waste my time reading and posting day after day about a game that I hate so much. (this is the Silent Hunter 5 forum after all).

I just don't get it.

No offence intended (I was not necessarily talking about you, but talking generally)

Trouble is there is always at least one person in any thread who will ignore the basic rules of this community and start making personal comments or issue 'instructions' to those who have a different perspective.

If you can't post without it being impersonal and without respecting others' rights to disagree, you should not be a part of this community.

Eventually the moderators give those people a spell in the brig. If they still don't get it, they get deep sixed.

Before that happens, however, you will see a lot of intemperate nonsense.

I make no accusations against anyone in this thread, mind you. I think some qualify, but I am not about to start finger pointing.

What I don't grasp is why we have to take an before-the-fact(s) position as to the quality of the game. Why can't we fairly judge the sim on its own merits, without going in with a predetermined "Oh I'm going to like this no matter what, lalalala" or "I just know this is going to turn out to be a steaming heap when I'm done with it." Have the principles of fairness and unibiasedness taken such a beating lately in our society that we are reduced to this state of affairs?

Welcome to the internet.... once their emotions are inflamed, most people are about as reasoned as a bag of tarantulas. That's why we have the legal system we do.

I read recently about a case in Queenlsand (a state of Australia, famous for having The Great Barrier Reef offshore, amongst other things) of a person accused of murdering an 8yo. Within a minute there's a site on the internet for a lynch mob with the most atrocious, irrational messages you can imagine. Then you get a bunch of people who never knew the victim but turn up and yell obscenities at the prison van containing the accused.
That's right, accused. So much for the presumption of innocence.

So don't be too surprised.

It's like road rage. Many people's personalities change for the worse when they get behind the wheel. Same when they hide behind a screen. Internet anonimity can bring out the monster in people.

I can only agree Steeltrap, and the worst thing is that they are absolutely convinced that they can't be wrong.:nope:

I'd say "look at the bigger picture, guys!"

If there are so many people complaining about the DRM, and now after they laid hands on the game also about that, then I would say it at least clearly shows that people did have the expectation that they would get another good sequel to the Silent Hunter series.

If it was silent in this forum, that would be a much worse sign. Nobody would even care about SH franchise anymore.

I'd see it positive. There is still a large number of potential customers, and formerly loyal customers to the Ubisoft Romania developers and likewise Ubisoft. All they want is that their voice be heard and their expectations and concerns be taken serious, and that they get something worth the price they are expected to pay for the new game. I'd place a bet if someone at Ubisoft would have the courage to take a step back, row back on the OSP DRM issue, and promise hefty patching to be done by the end of the month, then the mood here in the forum would very quickly change for the better. Everyone here is waiting on a hot plate and hoping that such an unlikely wonder would happen...

agreed, too often people who try to remain objective and only give opinions based on the facts or apparent facts are accused of doublespeak when in fact you CAN like and hope for the best for the game without being willing to buy it because you want nothing to do with the DRM.

many cannot stand anyone saying good things about the game only because they are mad at UBI right now and it upsets them to read possitive things about it and it goes the other way too because some cant stand to hear anything negative about the game even when its the truth because they are afraid they may not see any more subsim games if it fails.

more then once someone has told me i need to pick a side because when i post i often say both possitive AND negative things about the game but you dont have to pick a side, just view things objectively and base your opinions on the facts without the emotional BS.

No I am not going to defend SH5. The DRM alone makes it not worth the effort.

Good post Webster.
I've made my choice and I'll stand by it.
But I won't be told what to think by someone else.

I don't post that much. I just get frustrated by the overwhelming negativity sometimes. When I finally do vent, it comes out nasty, and I sincerely apologize for that.

I think the sim is fantastic, and when I consider it's all we've got, I'm just really impressed about how it turned out, and excited that it has the potential to become even more.

I've just never ever understood those who constantly criticize, and the non-stop complaining, and never-ending doom's day attitudes towards a product that we're fortunate enough to have the opportunity to play. Perhaps I'm biased, as I've been exclusively, for the most part, a niche PC gamer--limiting myself to simulations.

I just don't get the mindset of these determined negative posters. It's like someone is obsessed their whole life with traveling to a particular country, or even another planet, and then finally getting the opportunity, they find themselves complaining the entire time about the flavor of Jello that will be served during the journey, before they even boarded. And they just don't mention it once. Instead of thinking of the destination they've always dreamed of, they are feverishly writing letters to the powers that be, that if lemon-lime Jello isn't served en route, they are canceling their reservation! Or if they don't get to see Mars through the exact same window that the first astronaut saw it through, that the whole thing is utterly ruined, and threaten to cancel their reservation.

I guess my point is, you pay your 50 bucks, and you get to go to Mars. It's 50 bucks, non-negotiable, and no other company exists that offers trips to Mars. As a matter of fact, 90% of the planetary travelers in my analogy don't even want to go to Mars, but other planets, like Halo, or Modern Warfare. Lots more people flying to those destinations.

It's a fortunate thing, for those Mars lovers, that a carrier even exists that flies there. Yet despite the fact that only a relatively minuscule number of travelers want to go there, all they can do is complain about the fact that there was a little turbulence during the flight, and that the staterooms don't have jacuzzi jets in the bathtubs, as promised.

Once they finally arrive at Mars, their passion for the destination as intense as ever, they mysteriously feel compelled to publicly voice their disappointment in this or that detail that could have been done better. They taunt the captain, the crew, and the boat itself. "How dare you offer me the opportunity to go to Mars, and upon arrival, I find that there wasn't enough time and/or resources to visit the famous "face of Mars". What's that? The rovers that we're seeing aren't the exact same models as the originals? By god, I want my money back!"

I think these adventurers have lost sight of the goal. They're on Mars. But now all they can see are inauthentic rovers and the fact that they won't be seeing the famous "face".

If they only had a periscope, they might be able to look around, 360 degrees, and realize that across the unknown landscape, there are wonders to behold, and that the essence of the Mars experience is right in front of them.

...that is, as long as they have an internet connection.

Yeah that's fair enough, you need a tough skin to
hang around these parts that's for sure.

I'm afraid it is the same as criticizing a movie, book, car, burger, coffee, etc. If someone wants me to hand over my money for it, I will listen to other people 'reviewing' it, rather than just mutely handing over the money.

Yeah I know. It's a bit unfair me quoting this twice. But it really is the same as a great movie. You pay your 20 bucks, (or whatever), and for 2 hours you are somewhere else.

And yes I do know that with a game, that is potentially a lot more.

And it is also fortunate that there are passengers willing to pay the fair. Get it?

I think also that for many of these travelers, the journey, rather than the goal is what is important.

Well, some people who said they wouldn't buy because of the DRM may have changed of mind. That's very possible, as there are plenty sorts of people around here.

But I'm sure you can't put all people in the same bag, saying they're all the same.

I didn't change my mind, and didn't buy.

Yet, I still follow discussions around here because I'm interested in sub sims (surprise!), and hopes for a change for the better are allowed, right?