Haha :DL very clever.

How would you describe the asinine, childish engine and depth 'readouts' (for lack of a better word) in that infamous periscope screenie as other than arcade?

You could possibly argue that maybe that's only in the lowest difficulty, but I find it hard to believe they actually designed entire interfaces for each of the difficulty levels.

Have you considered that it might just be that those of us who want the game don't whine as loud as you?

That's what I hate about people saying "nobody" or "people" on the Web - 99% of the time they're just talking about themselves.

Frankly, aside from everything else we've learned about this game so far, this is the most troubling aspect to me.

It's like they KNOW it's bad or something. At the very least that's the impression they are leaving many people with. :cry:

I suspect that Ubi silence is caused by the huge limitations of the stock game and the new type of game, more 3D arcade than previous versions and focused to casual gamers or an interactive movie.

For example i think that some stations are limited to the 3D crew and not used by the player as a role of captain, for example TDC

I won't judge SH5 based on the GUI either. Specially since it can be changed via Python scripts, and I know how to write in programming languages, so it's not much of a problem for me.

Cheers :rock:

Is that not like buying, at full price, a broken car because you happen to be a mechanic?

Disagree.

i think its safe to say they wouldnt have seen near the success they enjoyed if the modding community had brought them to life

Stock 1.4 is actually very good and playable.

but we had to beg and damn near perform sexual favors just to get that 1.4 patch, as originally released sh4 wasnt even a working game without constant CTD issues

I disagree with that too. The mods enhanced the game, but I thnk it's very safe to say 90% of the people who bought SH3, would have bought it if a single mod never existed.

There were no mods for Aces of the Deep and Silent Hunter 1 to speak of, and their strong sales were the commercial basis for SH2, SH3, and on.

It's probably more reasonable to say that the sorts of people who reside in subsim (i.e. the uber realism junkies) would never have seen a sim done to the level of detail they like were it not for the modders.

That might be something to consider with SH5. Developers have never built the sim to be a 'true' sim based on the wealth of historical reference materials available, so there's probably little point in hoping they will any time soon.

I'll take GWX for the block, Chuck. ;) </Hollywood Squares>

Granted, SH3 was out for a while before the GW team got their hands on it, but its folks like RuB and GW that, I feel, have given the game the staying power that its had. It would be interesting to compare the sales of SH3 in the first 3 months of release vs. the months since then.

Sir Gotmilk, it gives me great concern, however painful and distressing, to see a conduct so founded that leads me to believe you are a fair and open man to the cause :doh: one finds this thread title remarkable, i must here say i shall abandon my remarks, opinions, and can only add the highest encomiums to this sensible thread, :haha: the remainder shall go unmolested, as i think it unnecessary to tread in a place perhaps less favourable to me, iam no fan boy, but i am not Everyone. :nope: Good Day.