I believe the autor of this post underestimates the anger over the DRM fiasco.Comparingh someone who enjoys the sim to a drug addict is not exactly accurate.

I along with many others have a real life, but due to my love of history and all, I enjoy SH because its not a scripted FPS, actually the only game I reguarly play and lately have not had the time to play as much as I would like.Sure, there are some gamers who are "addicted" but does not mean most just can not help themselves.I predict most people who say they will not buy this while it has DRM, will stick to their word.
This is about freedom to buy the product we want and be able to use it when we want, not depend on UBI servers or an internet connection to play a single player game.

As far as the change thing, I am so sick of hearing about change blah blah, change is not always a good thing.When something is not really messed up, it does not need change.The way a consumer is able to purchase a game, install it and play at will, nothing wrong there.The piracy argument is just a cop out from the gaming industry for more control of the product they produce but that we ultimately bu, thus it should be the consumers choice how, when he plays it and what he does with said product when does not use it any longer.I for one prob play SH 4 with the mods for years to come.

That being said, I prefer fleetboats but was looking forward to SH 5 so could support the franchise, check out the steps theyve made, hope and wait for SH 6 in the PTO again with great features from SH 5 like a fully modeled submarine. Play it now and then for a change.As long as DRM is present in SH 5, I will not purchase this game and it will not kill me.SH 4 with TMO and RSRD is tops right now as far as I am concerned.

I'll let the pioneers take the arrows. I'll settle later.

I'll buy the game if, and only if, Neal gives it a positive review and the forum members here give it a thumbs up after weeks of play testing and we learn, yes, Virginia, some of these ridiculous game-play limitations can be modded out. AND my concerns about the DRM are proven to be completely unwarranted.

Then. And only then, will I buy this game.

Why? Simple. I trust them a lot more than I do someone preaching at me as to why I'll "buy the game" regardless of my principles.

check the numbers...
 

I'd say check the numbers. Presently >>80% will wait or even refuse purchasing SHV with the requirement of having a permanent online connection, or having all saved data on an online server.

For how many of those is it a choice, how many just don't have a permanent fast online connection? And how many of those have seen so many generations of games, that there wouldn't be a choice to buy something else to cover the next 3 years until SHV comes out (patched and playable) in the budget section without DRM? Or wait till the competitors pick this subject up after the likely blunder of UBI? Or even better: Buy the developers of SHV and bring out and "SHVI" that combines all features of SHIII and SHV?

I really hope people here will stand to their word and vote with the wallet, otherwise this DRM chimaira will keep spreading and spreading while the quality of the releases goes down time after time. We really make it easy for the gaming industry to point the fingers to piracy (and that is in the end to us, isn't it?), instead of studying whether their new releases actually add sufficient new features etc.

I'll be getting the collectors edition cause i like what we get out of it. Ive already pre-ordered from our main online store in NZ - mightyape.co.nz. They state due 15 March i'll be expecting it like a month later they always get the dates wrong. As for the DRM thing not too worried about it, im sure its going to work out. Long as your got broadband or higher we're all be good to go.

Im more annoyed that theirs only the VII to play and we will probably be expected to buy addons to open up the other boats ingame?

You'll have me standing right here. I'm might be reduced to crying, watching the features of SH5 and cursing SH3's fatigue system... but I'll be standing (or in the fetal position), without SH5 in my hand, a full wallet, just waiting for Ubisoft to pull OSP from it.

Well, Neal gave SH3 full marks across the board, so he'd have to give SH5 110/100 to sway me from "the dark side". :D

Approximately 80% of "gamers" who stomp their feet, wail like banshees or petition a motion to change content in a game that is in it's pre-release stage, have been found to end up up either buying the game, playing it or, both.

Would love to see the stats as game is released, "real time" monitoring taking into consideration online rego's, obviously sales etc etc etc.

You may say that you are not in that 80%....fair enough.....
The statistic is a collective one, not focused on one developer, or indeed a particular type of gamer....

To address the question: why?

To rehash, it's new, it's different, it looks friggin' good, it's time to move on and go forward.........

DRM? Online saves? Anti-piracy...........:yawn:

No I kind of disagree though I sympathise with the direction of the post
 

The fact is when I heard there was to be a SH5 I leapt for joy, when I heard it was to be U-boats I leapt even higher. Then like every one else I waited and waited and waited for the first screen shots and information.

I knew there would be one or two things that would be annoying but if the previous incarnations of the game were anything to go by then the new game could only be absolutely fantastic.

Boy how wrong can you be - with every new revelation it just gets worse and worse, and that’s not just my opinion, it seem to be the general feeling of most on this forum. With every new piece of information my worse nightmares are confirmed.

I’ve really tried to keep an open mind but this has gradually given way to anger and annoyance through to sadness. The bright spot is that lately, and following the 'meet the crew' post I've now arrived at outright hysteria - the post itself and those it's spawned have been and are hilarious even though the game is now officially 'a joke'.

Eventually I came to the conclusion that even despite my curiosity and love of ever more sophisticated graphics I would probably would not buy the game, I stress probably – following the ‘meet the crew’ number it’s a definite no go, we now know what they have done to the game.

One can put up with certain aspects of a game if there are others that outweigh the negatives, however in all honesty folks, and based on what we’ve seen - apart from the graphics there's nothing that would interest some one seeking a reasonably accurate simulation of WW2 submarine warfare – lets not even mention the DRM or whatever its called and certainly not a player who’s followed SH2, 3 or 4

So here's the thing, if following the release of SH5 – if I login here at and found to my surprise that the majority of posts were from members complimenting the game and agreeing what a pleasant surprise etc, then I will toddle off to the shop and get a copy, and I will eat my hat in front of any one who cares to film it

But some how I cant think that’s going to happen, although I for one would dearly love to be wrong.

R

Got anything to back up that "statistic"?

80% of statistics are created or inflated to support the person's opinion :D

How exactly would one collect the data on people complaining about the game and then NOT buying it? I think I just stepped in your statistic and I can't get it off my boot.

@ Rascal101: None of the things you listed would keep me from buying this game, nor would all of them put together. If what Mihai said about the modding is true then the 1943 ending is probably a good thing, considering that the campaigs are the first things to get tossed out in these things anyway. The boats? Well, if what we're told is true they can be modded.
The crew? Well, if I really hate it I don't have to play it and can have fun complaining about it.

There's only one thing that will keep me from buying SH5, and that's the great unmentionable.:sunny:

Here in SA we pay shedloads for international bandwidth(roughly 10.00$ a gig), then we pay more for the actual line, depending if its 384 all the way up to 4 meg(wow 60$ a month).
(this is PERMANENT CONNECTION, not dialup)

I can get uncapped of course $250 a month.
@ 4 megs in the evenings, which is dropped lower in the day.

Then the stability of the line is dubious at best.

I can see alot of people in an entire country not getting Sh5 because DRM and ubi have actually priced us out the market. (s'okay we're small sale's UBI:up:)

I downloaded GWX gold yesterday, and it was the best 8.00 $ i've ever spent, even though its FREE.

But when i put it on my laptop, or main it STOPS costing me.

So with DRM, i can't afford to get it.

I ain't gonna buy it, unless something has been removed.
It will not be that hard, despite all the candy.
It's a matter of choice, no more no less.

In other words.....it's Capitalism. :up:

How much do you mod a game before you have to rewrite the entire game
 

I just don’t know how much you can mod a game before you have a new game -

What I'm trying to say is that with the changes so far listed you are asking the mod team to take a console offering and turn it into a real simulation with all the historical refinements that members herein would want or hope for.

I just don’t think the Subsim modders can do as much as what would be required to remove or deaden the fluff aspect - especially not with the DRM or whatever it’s called

This is not a crit of the modders if you refer to where modding is referred to in the written or video material we have - yes they assure us that modding is possible and that they may even have provided some resources to make it easier - but they also make it clear there are limits to what can be modded - read the bit referring to the campaign for a start

Of Course I could be wrong - I hope I am but not on what I've read so far -

Having said that once again I offer to eat my hat if I am wrong and folks here at SubSim start spouting praise and wonder following release

Best Regards

Rascal