Lets go back in time to one of the fellows that cobbled together a version of the bible .
To paraphrase , it is ruinous for a christian to speak as an idiot about science when reason and experience clearly show their logic to be completely flawed.

Now quite a few times throughout history idiots have forgotten that lesson and attempted to prove science wrong because it contradicted their literal interpretations of scripture, but idiots never learn the lesson do they.

Get off your high horse CB. We have religious freedom here, more than in the states probably yet people are less religious. Science, btw, as if you allready did not know this, science is not a fatih and its changing nature is a stregth while the unwillingness for change (suposedly, actualy all religions have "evolved" over time) is religions failing. The more we learn the more accurate science is and more out of touch with reality religion grows.

Oh and if i am attacking anything it is ignorance because it pisses me off.

Did I say science was wrong? Nope. I did imply, and will say now; science doesn't hold all the answers. Faith is an intregal part of humanity, without it science would not exist.

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Faith : not resting on logical proof or material evidence.
Language problems again:down:

Science knows that it does not hold all the answers, if it did, it would stop. Faith on the other hand is does nothing but hold us back because questions we should seek answers to are arbitraily answered with goddunit. Faith has nothing to do with science, they are nothing alike.

The idea of a god is not threatening to me - I just do not need this concept of a god to make sense of life and existence, nor do I see the explanations why somebody believes in a god as convincing. I am realist, so I take note of the fact that some people do believe in a god. But that is no explanation in itself for why they believe that.

What is threatening, though, is when people on behalf of their religious claims and beliefs want to change secularism and society in general, and demand respect their conceptions have never earned and demand special rights and priviliges for no other reasons than that it is according to their religion.

Not necessarily counting you into this missionising and campaigning category. ;)

Fundemantal laws of physics: action causes reaction, force you inflict inevitably returns. I often see religious campaigners going into offensive, and when others dare to raise reistenace to them they get accused of being "aggressive" or intolerant.

No, you haven'T attacked anybody'S faith here, nor do I feel attacked by you. But the thread was psited, the issue was that movie, the talking began - and you have to live with the fact that you ran into some guys who do not agree with you. I can only speak for myself, of course, but I am not attacking you in the meaning of the word - I just answer in public to some statements you made, also in public, and I make it clear that I oppose your view, and why.

BTW, science is no faith. It is just a method that is being used because it has proven to be of higher pragmatic use to human civilisation than any other methodology. The injection by the dentist certainly is not given because the doctor just believes or hopes it would help, but because we both know by experience that it will help to ease the pain.

You might be surprised, but I am convinced that the human mind has potentials for self-healing and activities that classic science so far has just started to become aware of. Subscribing to science, opposing relgions and seeing a context- and person-dependant value in activities of a shaman, is no contradiction for me. Different to religions that claim to have found and given all answers ever needed, I am aware that science is in a process of constant learning and changing. where it refuses to do so, it ends like religion: in dead dogmatism, and hurting the world and hurting the individual.

One must admit that much of the orthodox academic business is running like this.

just some things to point out.

Christianity just like most religions has evolved, It is not static. Its designs and ideas constantly change so as to not offend the cultural norms. Therefore in theory evolution is proven.

And another point is that the argument being disputed is really an argument over two books....Both written by man.

As humorous as you may think it......... science began with people of faith. Those illogical folks,:D

I thought science began with people wondering what the truth is. not what faith tells them...

Absolutely correct. But it didn't tell them having faith in God was wrong. Did it?

also absolutely correct.


Everything evolves creatures plants organisms but far more than
that rocks shopping malls tools systems ever evolve. Evolution is
a process with no final product it is a continuing adaptation to an
ever changing environment and what works works. Crap even stars
evolve. Everything in the presence of time does period no exceptions.
the only difference is that in my M Theory universe God or Ed Whitton
is probably smart enough to have invented evolution.

Man is not Perfect Man is adaptable.

In closing I will say this much.

If I was a deity sitting around the multiverse one day trying to dream
up a chosen people I think I could dream up a chosen race that was
capable of crossing the road in good order unsupervised.

look around you.

M

Proof abounds, you just refuse to see it.

Reproduction produces variable traits in offspring. If a trait is advantageous to an organism, making it more likely for the organism to survive to adulthood and reproduce, then that trait will have a greater chance of being passed on, which over time can lead to speciation. Evolution is so simple and obvious, it'd be amazing if it didn't happen, and it should be completely non-controversial. That is, if it didn't contradict an ancient compilation of books written over hundreds of years by dozens of tremendously ignorant people who couldn't agree on much of anything.

The miracles refute themselves. I know archaeology has shown that there's very little evidence for Exodus.

If god said in the bible that the Old World continents were the only land masses on the planet, there would be millions of American Christians today inisting that North America was in fact Asia, or that it was created by the devil to fool us, or that the original passage was true but only in a metaphorical sense, etc. Anything but accept the fact that what their religion told them was wrong. Fortunately, science doesn't work that way.

If the only way to the father is through Jesus, why would he appear in 1st century Palestine and nowhere else? Did god think all the Asians, Africans, Australians and Americans should wait 1500 years for even a chance at salvation?

And how's that apocalypse coming along? Jesus spoke about it as if it was just around the corner. Strange that it's 2000 years later and it still hasn't arrived. :DL

He's held up in traffic coming back from the Andromeda Galaxy, clearly. :rotfl2:

Either that or Heracles beat the **** out of him and left him for dead. :arrgh!:

lol...or he took a rong turn...:lol:

My money is on: The Apocalypse is hold hostage by Xenu. :03: