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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1159479)

Can anyone state some good things about poor ole Teddy, no really a positive piece of legislation or something... anything?

I thought I did?

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1159379)

I don't see Ted Kennedy being remembered for much of anything.

Once his usefulness as a martyr dies along with nationalized health care his faults, manslaughter, alcoholism, etc, will make him politically toxic.

As I said before, I wasn't much of a fan because he did bring a lot of baggage to the table, but I found this list interesting:

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Do you like your state and not the federal government controlling the curriculum of your kids' schools? Thank Ted Kennedy.

Do you like being able to vote starting at age 18? Thank Ted Kennedy.

Do you think low-income people should get help with heating their homes in the winter? Thank the man.

Do you think the federal government should fund cancer research? Yep.

Do you believe that Meals on Wheels is a good thing? Ditto.

Does your daughter (or you, if you're female) like playing soccer or basketball or softball at school? That'd be because of Ted Kennedy.

Do you think that disabled people should be able to go to school? Have access to buildings? Not be discriminated against for housing and loads of other things? Kennedy, big time.

You like your cheap airfares? You know the answer.

You think people on welfare oughta get jobs? So did Kennedy.

You think mental institutions should treat people humanely? Yeah, so did your new friend, Ted Kennedy.

You believe that the Defense Department should provide child care for the kids of soldiers? Kennedy did.

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1159477)

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Mookie, I doubt you're one of them, but I have to ask ... would YOU have voted for Kennedy?

That's really a good question. I have no idea who ran against him in all of his years, and that (given our "lesser of the two evils" system) would be a major factor in who I would have voted for.

Kennedy lived on his name. That's a powerful force in politics where the American public votes on emotion, rather than facts and analysis.

I would have had qualms voting for someone who let someone else die through their own stupid actions, of course. But (and NOT to excuse it, please don't take it that way) Thomas Jefferson was banging his slaves, Ulysses S Grant was involved in the Whiskey Ring, Harding had his Teapot Dome scandal....it seems to be a thread of commonality with those in power.

I guess the ultimate decision came down to the people of Massachusetts who elected him and reelected him...as I said, I would have had serious qualms voting for the guy, but if you look at his legislative record (at least from the list I posted here), it's hard to fault the guy's positions. They're pretty bipartisan and common sense across the board.

Good question though.

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1159221)

We already did that... no its a testiment to the cluelessness of the average american voter.

Ted did his fair share of good work. Then again he did his fair share of destructive nany state fostering.

I wasent going to bring up the Mary Joe thing but yea thats one of the first things that comes to my mind.

Uh-no we did not do that. What planet are you from.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1159387)

As I said before, I wasn't much of a fan because he did bring a lot of baggage to the table, but I found this list interesting:

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Does your daughter (or you, if you're female) like playing soccer or basketball or softball at school? That'd be because of Ted Kennedy.

You think people on welfare oughta get jobs? So did Kennedy.

You think mental institutions should treat people humanely? Yeah, so did your new friend, Ted Kennedy.

You believe that the Defense Department should provide child care for the kids of soldiers? Kennedy did.

Plus 5 for ol Ted on these, if true.

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Do you like being able to vote starting at age 18? Thank Ted Kennedy.

Not so sure that was, like, such a great idea, now that I'm, like, surrounded by college kids, like, all day :haha:

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1159451)

The privileges of power.....

Sorry, I seem to have missed that part of the constitution. Does this exception extend to all Democratic party politicians or just the sons of anti-semite bootleggers? :)

Seriously, it was more than just a stupid accident. He left that girl to die when he could have saved her. There was a house with a phone just a hundred yards away, it even had it's porch light on, but he walked right past it and 3 others to hike all the way back to the party he had just come from. Had he gone to that first house and called Island Rescue she would likely have survived.

No privilege of power in America should include a pass on that.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1159611)

or just the sons of anti-semite bootleggers? :)

:DL You want a nice portrayal of Joe Kennedy, check out The Rat Pack movie that was originally on HBO. What a bastard that guy was!

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1159603)

Plus 5 for ol Ted on these, if true.

Title IX in 1972, the Jobs for Employable Dependent Individuals Act in 1987, the Civil Rights for Institutionalized Persons Act in 1997, and the National Military Child Care Act in 1989

Well it all comes down here in the U.S.of A. to what is your party of choice. He was a murderer who got away, just like O.J. He never gave a thought to what was morally right. Just what was good for Ol' Ted Kennedy. And he was able to throw it right into our faces....What a Crock.........

I imagine most people feel ... J.F.K. & R.F.K > R.I.P.

T.M.K. > R.I.H.

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Good answer. I can't fault anything you said.

My take is that I'd likely have voted against him just to get him out of power. But, when it comes to politics, it is indeed tough to seperate the person from the policy.

Obviously, I believe what he did was did wrong, regarding the accident. However, I'm not sure if I'm upset with the voters who kept putting him into office or the Democratic Party who never really substantively opposed him, leaving his voters with no real choice.

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I guess the ultimate decision came down to the people of Massachusetts who elected him and reelected him...as I said, I would have had serious qualms voting for the guy, but if you look at his legislative record (at least from the list I posted here), it's hard to fault the guy's positions. They're pretty bipartisan and common sense across the board.

I missed this.

I agree that, from the positions you posted, its hard to fault him. Yet, after the decades he spent in the senate, the positions you posted represent only a minority of the positions he voted on.

His record is decisively partisan.

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but they also love treating the Kennedy's as royalty.

The Kennedy's and the fairytale Court of Camelot, even included a version of the Lady in the Lake for constistancy.

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1159519)

Let the Kennedy Polictical Dynasty die with him.

And the several other political dynasties as well, most prominently the Bushs. ;) Dynasties do not go well with conventional conceptions of democracy. It is a form of neo-feudalism, and a kind of lobbyism of a clan for the purpose of staying in power - for the sake of that power itself.

For Obama's policy, this is a loss difficult to be compensated.

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Originally Posted by firewall (Post 1159670)

i imagine most people feel ... J.f.k. & r.f.k r.i.p.

t.m.k. R.i.h.

m.i.c.k.e.y.m.o.u.s.e.

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1159670)

I imagine most people feel ... J.F.K. & R.F.K R.I.P.

T.M.K. R.I.H.

If Bobby was RFK then Teddy is surely EMK.

And what's the H?

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1159864)

If Bobby was RFK then Teddy is surely EMK.

And what's the H?

Hell? :D

Yeah, reading the news this morning about how Teddy's life cause was healthcare. WTFO? Maybe the power that government can gain over people is what his life cause was about. What the hell did this rum runner ever do for the people???