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I watched the first yesterday,although its entertaining they missed alot of details on the ship and its crew...

Firstly when a ship went battle stations the deck and sails were sprayed with water and sand was trown on the deck,blood makes the deck slippery and the water was used so the ship wouldnt catch fire.During battle there was alot of activity,gunpowder carriers would run from the gundecks to the gunpowder magazine and cannonballs had to be carried to the cannons,there is not much of this to see in the movie.

The relation between the crew and officers is not realistic,in reality the crew was not allowed to pass the aft mast because the officers were stationed there and discipline was hard,passing this mast resulted in severe punishment and was done to keep the sailors under control..in the film the tension rises,the harch discipline and punishment prevented this,in other words they act too friendly,almost 21 century like..

Inside the boat its way to clean,after some months of sailing the decks were covered with feaces and other human waste,there were no toilets only a hole with a rope that was long enough to reach the water,the end was a brush that was used to clean your behind,that was all they had,unfortunately not everyone could bring up the energy to go trough the trouble,and so they went for number one and two in a quiet corner,or behind a crate etc.After some time the decks were flushed and the waste was spread all over the decks,it was a bloody mess..people lived in their own dirt...

Some things were acted out really well i might add,the surgeon's quarters is accurate,and the difference in food between the sailors and officers is pretty accurate.

But overall i liked the movie alot,but i hoped for some realistic details because i read alot of books about ships like this,they were like spaceships in those days discovering unknown territory,apart from the hard life and desperation it must have been awesome to sail into the unknown..

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Originally Posted by Kloef (Post 1145930)

I watched the first yesterday,although its entertaining they missed alot of details on the ship and its crew.....

You mean that page after page on topping lifts, staysails, bosun sails, gussets and stays ? Yea that would make riviting movie stuff. Im reading the book right now and I struggle to get through these parts.

Im just joking here but you get my idea. Its up to the director what goes in and what doesent. Lord knows how many hours of film were left on the cutting room floor.

Anyhow the original was good for entertainment value moreso than alot of other films out there right now.

For instance my wife brought me this stinker thinking it was a documentry.

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Severed Ways: The Norse Discovery of America

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In the woods, they use their battle axes to chop down trees and build a makeshift shelter, visiting a nearby creek for some good old-fashioned spear fishing. They catch a salmon, eat the "really killer" meal with bare fingers, then excrete it on camera the following morning, gingerly wiping themselves with fresh-plucked leaves. Stone and Tedesco aren't so much acting as re-enacting, like a pair of Viking enthusiasts who've roped a camera crew into recording their experiment in back-to-basics living.

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117...goryid=31&cs=1

Avoid at all costs unless your into things like graphic portrayel of a man deficating in the woods.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe (Post 1144019)

Go watch it, you won`t regret it. It`s not as good as Gladiator IMO, but still a very good movie. Best into a cinema, this is definatly one movie which has to be seen on the big screen and with a good sound system.

The books aren`t bad either, although the writing "sounds" a little dated nowadays.

Greets

Z.

Hey man, O´brian wrote them that way in purpouse.

they are meant to sound early 19th century, not early 21st century

I have all books and they are worth readyng and re-readyng (currently "The nutmeg of Consolation" is in my pack in the office with me, and looking forward to the visit to Botany Bay after meeting the Surprise and finishing off the "Cornelie" in the Salibubu passage

Hornblower books (C.S. Forester) are fine, but to "neat", not that much detail in the working of the ships and Royal Navy per se, they are novels set in the Napoleonic Wars, not historical novels as O´brian´s are.

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Originally Posted by cgjimeneza (Post 1146177)

Obrian won many accolades for proper use of the language of the time.

Still makes for a tough read.

I only have 4 more books to go and I will have read the entire Aubrey/Maturin series. Wonderful reading!

I hope Crowe signs on and does the movie. I loved the first one.

I remember watching the Onedin line as a kid. The theme music was pretty memorable, and the ships and sets.

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Absolutely right there:yep:

There's alot of crap out there,judging the quality of crap is a very personal business:rotfl:

There are also bad books,problem is it takes too long to find out,and when you do you still want to read the end..

But as i said i do like the movie,but i would prefer a 'directors cut' with an extra hour of extreme detailed ship operations as they truly were...and a longer battle at the start of the movie..loved the wood flying around and other special effects..

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Originally Posted by prowler3 (Post 1146982)

I'll be buying anything BUT American made automobiles, in the future. As much as I wish to "support my country" I refuse to allow the Unions, who have killed the American auto industry, to continue on their rampant abuse of what is, basically, a simple job.

So, ummm...

Looking forward to seeing a sequel to Master & Commander? :yawn:

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Originally Posted by Subnuts (Post 1146984)

So, ummm...

Looking forward to seeing a sequel to Master & Commander? :yawn:

As I originally stated: "Replying to some earlier comments in this thread" :O:

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Originally Posted by Subnuts (Post 1146984)

So, ummm...

Looking forward to seeing a sequel to Master & Commander? :yawn:

LOL :har:

:up::up::up: :salute:

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Originally Posted by prowler3 (Post 1147029)

As I'm sure your view makes you feel the same. :O: I don't WANT a 2 seater fuel efficient "car". I use a 3/4 ton heavy duty pickup in my job and my personal life. Don't like it? Don't really care. I've seen the list of "concessions"...if that is what you want to call them. Hogwash! A line worker is the most overpaid employee in the US.

Again...Economics 101, if somebody will put it together cheaper elsewhere, who's the idiot to continue paying outlandish union wages? Your next comment will probably mention "quality". Really? Have you owned an American made automobile recently? Let's talk resale value? I thought not.

It's very simple...Americans, as a group, have come to expect more for less and it will be our downfall...it's already starting. Until and unless we decide that we will be paid according to our work, we not expect the Government to support us except in the extreme and we not expect to be "owed" anything we are not deserving of, then the decline will continue.

Tell me, what does America actually PRODUCE, for export, these days? Not much. Just a quick look at the trade deficit numbers will show that.

I operate one of the 5 top ranked power plants in the US. Top ranked by production, availability, pollution control and efficiency...all without the "benefit" of any union. We do it because we give a damn and we are proud...not because some union says we should get more benefits. We do it 24/7/365 :rock:. Even though our production of electricity is much more critical than how many overpriced cars GM or Ford turns out is, nobody will whine until their lights go out. And their lights will not go out because of a strike, walkout or demands for more than we deserve.

You may, as well, go back to Moveon.org, for what that is worth. It is exactly the same as your Hannity comment...whatever. The fact is that you wanted "Change"...no matter the cost. Now, you have it. Don't whine when it takes you 6 months to get the medical procedure you require tommorow. I KNOW. My father died January 16th, 2008 in Victoria, BC, Canada waiting for an operation that should have been performed at the first sign of cancer. THAT is a fact. Welcome to Government run ANYTHING.

It's not "republicans" or "democrats" anymore, my friend. It's common sense versus stupidity.

$700 b dollars to fix the American infrastructure...but only for "shovel ready" projects? Does anyone not understand that there are almost no such projects? You don't just say "OK, we're ready to fix 10 bridges in Squatstain County". Stupid.

I could go on and on...and you would spew the tired old liberal replies. What's the point. I will venture one forcast...Obama is a one term president.

And, no, I have no interest in Master & Commander II.

The Master and Commander thread turned into a "discussion" on partisan politics. It's a Russel Crowe action flick FFS!!!

The worst thing about it is that I'm not surprised at all. You all need to go volunteer for a political campaign or something.

PD

From hearing the replies in this thread and from what I've heard in the past, the Master & Commander books seem well worth reading. Should I start from the first one?

And for those who have no interest in the M&C movies and possible sequel: take it to another thread.

Sigh... just close the thread and start over.

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From hearing the replies in this thread and from what I've heard in the past, the Master & Commander books seem well worth reading. Should I start from the first one?

Even though each book can stand by itself it is much better to read them all in sequence .
As for a new film, Castout wants Ships of the Line , I would prefer the brig sloop from the start of the series, but Crowe would be too old for that part.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1147037)

From hearing the replies in this thread and from what I've heard in the past, the Master & Commander books seem well worth reading. Should I start from the first one?

Absolutely! The first is Master and Commander, followed by Post Captain and HMS Surprise.

I've read close to 4000 books in my life to this point and I have to tell you, the Aubrey/Maturin series is by far the highlight. I didn't discover this series until later in my life. O'Brian is a literary master, on the level of Melville, Austen, and Conrad. The Chicago Tribune calls him "The best novelist in the world". The stories are character driven, the prose is ornate and nuanced to such a degree that you will wonder why so many other authors get away with spoon feeding their readers.

If you enjoy the first one, then you will rejoice when I tell you there are 19 more, all excellent. :shucks: