While I generally approve of reason behind things, my understanding of early childhood development is that dogma, spankings, etc (more animalistic or base) methods of teaching are more appropriate for certain early age children since they do not have the mental development to allow reason to stick.

Still it couldn't hurt to add onto the edge of the pledge "because these words deal with very personal things about who that person is and can hurt a lot." (trying to word it down to 1st grade level here).

:roll: The day Americans refuse to stand up for themselves is the day this country begins it's decline.

Yes and no. In my own experience (and maybe I lucked out) at around three, my child's favorite word became "why." So I've been explaining ever since, all of my decisions. I think corporal punishment is not as effective until a child becomes older. It should be used as the last line in the parenting continum. Explanation, threats, physical correction.

Obviously someone who thinks that way has never actually been beaten by a gang or threatened with a weapon. There's no such thing as fighting honour unless you're in a boxing or wrestling ring, with rules. There's no honour in being badly injured and possibly killed for no reason whatsoever. If you do that on purpose, you're not a hero, you're an idiot. I say that as someone who's been there repeatedly.

Huzzah! The young idealists that never read Orwell, nor had to critically think for themselves will find the utopia that their teachers promised them during their academic pursuits. I find it odd that a segment of society that preaches tolerance are the first to sling venom at people who disagree with them :hmm:

Knock out the biggest one first. Bullies tend to run away when those cowards see it's their own blood being spilled. The probiscus is rather easy to break.:up:

Lets see, the independence of the United States was fought under similar circumstances. They did not roll over and play dead. They ambushed the red coats when the odds and terrain were in their favor. This could easily be replicated, and I'm not advocating any violence but someone must make a stand and say "its over!" Good luck to one and all.

Well yes, that's what I always did. Precisely that. Ambush and inflict maximum pain on the most obvious example to shock the rest, then run like hell. Rarely got picked on by the same people out of that. I've practiced decoy moves, always calculated where I'd hit, used objects at hand (like chairs, rocks etc.) to threaten when necessary. To this day, thanks to that plus the fact that I grew up in one of the most dangerous city environments in the world, my mind constantly calculates plans of action and escape routes should I be jumped the next minute. That's not honourable, that's a survival necessity where I grew up.

But whenever that could be avoided, I got authorities involved. Noone should take any pleasure in inflicting pain on others, that's the point. I've known people who got badly hurt in fights, stabbed or ended up with spinal injuries. It's not a game, and noone should ever take it as a matter of honour.

exactly, thats why my dad told me that if i cant avoid a fight...fight dirty and make a run for it when the other guy is down