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Originally Posted by Platapus

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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The reason McCain gets help with e-mail is that his severe war injuries prevent him from doing many things many of us take for granted, including typing on a keyboard.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...em-internet-pi

Fair enough, I never knew that.

I have not read McCain himself say he cannot email because of his war injuries. On the contrary in Times interview he said he was learning how to by overcoming his 'computer illiteracy'. You will note he uses a Blackberry, albeit not his. Surely if you can use a Blackberry you can type?

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Originally Posted by times

Q: What websites if any do you look at regularly?
Mr. McCain: Brooke and Mark show me Drudge, obviously, everybody watches, for better or for worse, Drudge. Sometimes I look at Politico. Sometimes RealPolitics, sometimes.
(Mrs. McCain and Ms. Buchanan both interject: “Meagan’s blog!”)
Mr. McCain: Excuse me, Meagan’s blog. And we also look at the blogs from Michael and from you that may not be in the newspaper, that are just part of your blog.
Q: But do you go on line for yourself?
Mr. McCain: They go on for me. I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need – including going to my daughter’s blog first, before anything else.
Q: Do you use a blackberry or email?
Mr. McCain: No
Mark Salter: He uses a BlackBerry, just ours.
Mr. McCain: I use the Blackberry, but I don’t e-mail, I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and staff are oral and done with my cell phone. I have the luxury of being in contact with them literally all the time. We now have a phone on the plane that is usable on the plane, so I just never really felt a need to do it. But I do – could I just say, really – I understand the impact of blogs on American politics today and political campaigns. I understand that. And I understand that something appears on one blog, can ricochet all around and get into the evening news, the front page of The New York Times. So, I do pay attention to the blogs. And I am not in any way unappreciative of the impact that they have on entire campaigns and world opinion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us...7BhxyG+oK2n5og

So, given the above, I do not see the Obama campaign ad offensive or insensitive to McCain's war injuries.

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

You will note he uses a Blackberry, albeit not his. Surely if you can use a Blackberry you can type?

No, not necessarily. First of all, he said he uses a Blackberry, not that he operates it. Reading something that someone else has displayed can be considered using it. You'd have to ask him personally if that's what he meant.

As for being able to type because you can use a blackberry, think about how the majority of people use handheld devices. They "type" with their thumbs while their hands are curled around the device to hold it. If an injury deforms your hand shape such that you are not able to flatten your hands as you do on a keyboard to type, but you can hold an object and press buttons with your thumbs, then you certainly could operate a Blackberry, but not be able to type.

As for the "computer illiteracy", perhaps his use of the term is not the same as the "popular" definition of the term. If one is unable to use the computer in a conventional manner, how does one become literate in the use of the computer?

Finally, to quote something besides the NY Times, I have a friend who is determined to vote for Obama because he is such a good speaker. This person derided me for favoring McCain because "the jerk can't even raise his arms above his shoulders". He wasn't even aware of McCain's injuries. When I asked him about a couple of questions about their respective voting records, he couldn't answer anything about either candidate. People see what they want to see and rarely look any farther.

Computer literacy doesn't make or break a president. Neither does public speaking.

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

First of all, he said he uses a Blackberry, not that he operates it. Reading something that someone else has displayed can be considered using it. You'd have to ask him personally if that's what he meant.

Well, not been able to ask him personally, I think these two pics pretty much answer the question.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...vaar/cell2.jpg

"McCain works his cell phone in Arlington, Va., checking with staff members on the status of amendments to his campaign finance reform bill"

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...aar/cell-1.jpg

McCain using a cell phone while holding a Blackberry

He's not allowed use his cell phone anymore.

Seriously, the campaign had to take it off him.

Seriously, using a cell phone is not the same as typing is it? I stand "chastized" on the operation of the cell phone, but I still stand by the statement that operating a cell phone or a Blackberry is not the same as typing on a keyboard.

He he he

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“We’re not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana,” McCain has said during this year’s campaign, referring to a study he’s mocked for years of whether grizzlies need to keep their status as an endangered species.

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,” in one of the state’s many requests for federal funding of research into Alaska’s fauna.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...15903CFF648F68

EDIT - Same kind of story. Now John McCain is lying about her. Not misspeaking or misremembering, blatantly lying. Whatcha'll think?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...-somethin.html

From AP -

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McCain said he had chosen Palin because she would help to reform Washington, specifically cited curbing federal spending for earmarks. When pressed about Palin's record of requesting and accepting such money for Alaska, McCain ignored the record and said, "Not as governor she didn't."
McCain stood by two of his campaign commercials — one which said Obama favored comprehensive sex education for kindergarten students and another that suggested Obama had called Palin a pig. Both are misleading and factually inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

He he he

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http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...15903CFF648F68

So Palin is the only politician looking out for their flock????

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Here's one highlight: Obama sought money for the University of Chicago Hospitals. Wife Michelle works for the University of Chicago Hospitals, appointed in spring 2005 as vice president for community and external affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals. She is now on leave from the job to campaign for her husband. Top campaign adviser and friend Valerie Jarrett is the Chair of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board and also Chair of the Executive Committee of that board. She has also been named Vice-Chair of the University's Board of Trustees. Obama taught at the U. of Chicago law school and the Obama's two daughters attend school there.

Typical Chicago politics.

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Obama Requested $1.6 Million To The University Of Illinois College Of ACES For The Livestock Genome Sequencing Initiative. In 2006, Obama requested $1.6 million for the University Of Illinois College Of ACES and its effort to conduct research on the Livestock Genome Sequencing Initiative (LGSI). The LGSI is part of an international effort to identify every gene of the cattle and swine species by both its unique DNA sequence and location on specific chromosomes. In addition, LGSI research is building a database to identify the function of these genes. Mapping and sequencing the cattle and swine genome will provide the basis for future biological research by improving livestock productivity and public health.

Messing with cattle and pig DNA to make them bigger and disease free.

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Obama Requested $2 Million For The Soybean Disease Biotechnology Center At The University Of Illinois College Of ACES. In 2006, Obama requested $2 million for the University of Illinois College of ACES and its continuing research efforts at the Soybean Disease Biotechnology Center (SDBC). The SDBC is using scientific advances in structural, comparative and functional genomics and genetic engineering, in order to protect soybean crops from diseases and improve their productivity.

See the above comment.

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Obama Requested $2.5 Million For The Illinois Program For Integrated Sustainable Agriculture At The University Of Illinois College Of ACES. In 2006, Obama requested $2.5 million the University of Illinois College of ACES Illinois Program for Integrated Sustainable Agriculture. The Illinois Program for Integrated Sustainable Agriculture will research and develop an integrated livestock and corn-soybean production system which will recycle valuable nutrients from the animal waste stream in an effort to improve agricultural productivity and reduce the emission of livestock wastes into the environment.

2 and 1/2 million to see if cow manure is a good fertilizer....

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Obama Requested $2,499,400 For The Food Stamp Participation Project Of The Illinois Department Of Human Services. In 2006, Obama requested $2,499,400 for the Food Stamp Participation project of the Illinois Department of Human Services. The Food Stamp Participation Project is development of new technology projects, which are designed to increase the access to the food stamp program. One is designed for use by the general public and the other is a web based application designed for use in food pantries.

Another 2.5 million to give away freebies easier.

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Obama Requested $335,000 For The Chicago Zoological Society Of The Brookfield Zoo To Support Its Excellence Through Diversity Program. In 2006, Obama requested $335,000 for the Chicago Zoological Society of the Brookfield Zoo to support its Excellence Through Diversity program. $335,000 for the The Chicago Zoological Society is recognized throughout the State of Illinois and the country as a leader in promoting biological diversity and providing outstanding recreational and educational opportunities for its two million annual visitors. A newly initiated year-long strategic planning process has set the goal of increasing diversity throughout the Board, staff, volunteers, and guests. Staff diversity is an ongoing challenge for the Chicago Zoological Society, especially in the area of science. This multi-prong program will specifically address this challenge so they can better assist minority students and young professionals in obtaining the skills and training necessary to pursue a career in a zoological setting.

A third of a million for the purpose of setting up a quota system in a zoo. The zoo is not free, it costs 8 dollars to park, 10-5 dollars a head to get in, but they draw 2 million visitors a year. Just not the right racial make ups.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...er_initia.html

Er, yes, but you're totally missing the point. Obama is not running a campaign claiming that earmarks are the grimy evil work of Beelzebub himself.

But John McCain is.

Example - I like the idea of federal money for research and investigation, things like seal DNA and such. John McCain doesn't, and he's campaigning against earmarks. Then he goes and picks a VP who has made egregious use of earmarks. This tells me he either does not believe in this and is just using it to win votes, or he has been reckless and not done any homework before picking his running mate. This does not tell me anything good about his executive/management/decision-making skills.

Whether earmarks are good or bad is irrelevant, I am merely holding candidates to their words. McCain is a hypocrite in this case, or worse.

Defintion of hypocrisy.

Hillary 2 months ago: "He is not qualified to be in the white house.."

Bill 2 months ago: "He is not qualifed to be president..."

Joe 2 months ago: "He is not qualifed to hold the office..."

Present day they have have all changed their position of this candidate and now claim he is qualified to be president. You are all bickering over cell phones???

I am Frame57, and I approve this message

Does anyone else find it odd that the credibility of candidates is even an issue?

Why should government have enough power that we have to worry if they're lying to us ?

Are the candidates really so alike that we have to resort to name-calling and denouncing their credibility as reasons for not supporting them?

:-?

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Originally Posted by Frame57

It's what politicians do, and not just Liberal Democrat politicians. Again you point the finger at the other guy while ignoring your own side. Did you make the same accusations back when George H.W. Bush ran against Ronald Reagan, called his policies "Voodoo Economics", then embraced and defended them when asked to be his running mate? If not, then you should probably be a little more careful about using words like Hipocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by Frame57

Big difference between squabbling over policy, and that of someone being qualified to be president, which did not happen then Steven... Besides I am not Hannity and Colmes. You know me Steven, I do not predicate being carelful with words. I mean what i say and say what I mean.

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Does anyone else find it odd that the credibility of candidates is even an issue?

Why should government have enough power that we have to worry if they're lying to us ?

:lol: that is a very original way of looking at things!

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Does anyone else find it odd that the credibility of candidates is even an issue?

Why should government have enough power that we have to worry if they're lying to us ?

:lol: that is a very original way of looking at things!

Not really. I heard some guys thought of something like that over 200 years ago.
I wonder if their idea ever worked.:D