Well at least he didnt go for the large hardon collider one.

are you trying to make light with that particle of insight

Stop it, I have a visualization problem and the term "large hardon collider" is giving me a bad case of the pukes:rotfl:

Im sorry did the wax plugs just fly out of your ears.:rotfl:

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As far as non-public research being more practical, well sometimes it is. But you also get a lot of money spent on a new version of viagra or upset tummy pills, and not much on malaria. The corporate giants won't spend money on something if you can't show them exactly what the new doo-hickey will do and how much money they can make from it. GE could afford to build a collider bigger than CERN. I don't see them doing it.

Much of the big disease research is privately funded. But how much of that comes from things like the Howard Hughes Medical Institute? Maybe I missed it, but don't think there is a particle physics walk-a-thon. Very few people will donate their money for something when all they can see is wires, pipes, and you tell them "I don't know what we'll find and learn, but it's gonna be SWEET"!

No I'm not happy with my government. And so I vote. I also think that with all the things it does wrong it would be worse without it.

NASA going to the moon led to learning more about how this ball of rock we live on got here. Subsequent missions produced better solar panels, things to forecast the weather better, and yes Tang. I still haven't forgiven them for the last bit.

The unfortunate fact is that very few non-governmental and/or university based entity's will spend money on base scientific research. If it won't produce a profitable product they simply aren't intersted. I can understand that Siemens is there to make money. If they learn something by doing it great, but it isn't what they turn the lights on for. Most companies spend the bread on what amounts to engineering not poking it with a stick just to see what happens and then asking "Why?".

I keep thinking that there has to be a better way. Unfortunately I am just not bright enough to figure out what it is.

:rotfl: :up: yup abit concerned. ;)

This experiment captured my attention this morning with interest. On the one hand the results it could yield, very impressive and part of me wants to know. However... another part of me thinks this should be left well be.

I have since come to realise, when I sat for a moment by myself in a room... I realised very quickly their experiment, while yielding important info... will fail. They will not achieve the results they seek, nor will they destroy the earth or life as we know it.

The reason being? You cannot recreate the power of God in a laboratory or using some fancy machine, even if it did cost 5 billions. Which is what they are trying to do.

There are some frontiers that humanity is forbidden to cross immaterial of how hard they push against the fence... this is one of them. When its all said and done, some of those scientists are going to be very disapointed.

Sorry Pen in science there is no god just science... You might be right that they won't be getting the results their looking for but thats is the chance of trial and error.;)

More fool them then if they discount such a thing.

I disagree. we are capable of more than we can even concieve of
at this stage of societal development. We are only now hooking up
our Body wide Neural net (all humanity and the world wide web)
we are still in the womb gestating and we wont be born unitil we leave
the womb/earth once weve left the womb planets will become disposable.

It will fail in some efforts and succeed in others but all these are the
baby steps on the road to the full context of human life in the universe.
exponential expansion and we are taking the rest of life with us or assimilating what we find as we go.

these experiments success or failure will only lead to a better understanding
of the problems. but what does a better understanding of the problems lead
to?

Up from the ashes grow the roses of success.
adapt and overcome dont adapt and get overrun.

humanity as a single whole entity is a remarkable creature

although I would take major anti matter experiments out to at least the
jupiter lagrange point when the need arises,.........just a thought :rotfl:

Well Pen, science doesn't make comment on the supernatural, so investigating the whole God thing would be... rather unprofessional and unscientific.

Now while I personally believe that the universe has always existed in some form or another and God didn't create us, you and others are perfectly entitled to whatever you want to believe. I mean, none of us can really know, but this experiment could very well bring us closer to understanding the greatest question of all time: Did God make the universe or did the universe make itself?

Here's a picture of the collider's holding chamber (big image):

http://media.washingtontimes.com/med...g_Machine2.jpg

Science by definition does not deal with any god or anything else supernatural. Science is to explain the natural world arround us.

Anyway one of the most exiting things that could happen would be that they do not find the Higgs boson, because that would mean we have misunderstood something when it comes to particle physics and there would be other exiting experiments.

As for there being boundries of knowlege which are unachievable for humans, I dont think there are any, just as I think there are'nt any dieties. Humans are clever and curious creatures, so far we have achieved a lot and we will continue to do so.

Though, if science is right, and there was nothing prior to the "big bang" where did the something come from to cause it?

I am certain of one thing... creation is something that has to be caused it can't happen by accident because of particles bumping into each other.

Not believing in God or a higher power if you will is fine... just cause you personally don't believe it doesn't mean its not there or does not exist. This is going to sound incredibly arrogant but, I'm going to say it anyway...

Science does not have all the answers. And yes... there are limits to what can be achieved.

:huh:

OK... moving along...

Indeed, but we will unfortunately never be able to fully see the universe as it exists... not anytime soon, anyway.

Knowledge, wisdom, experience... a thousand ways not to make a lightbulb.:p

You do know that Jupiter's gravitational field keeps Earth's rotation and balance in check, right? It also shields us from asteroids and comets. If it goes, we've got problems.

But as infinite as the universe is, there are some things man is not meant to understand... some truths and realities that would bend and misshape our perception of what is real and what is not. Think about it... I mean, many human minds are bound by their inability to correlate all their contents. Too much to discover; too much to try to understand. We live on a placid island of ignorance amidst the black seas of infinity.

discovered in the
post apocalyptic data analysis from the experiment destroying
ubootecomradeland

The quantum singularity itself not only will sustain a microfusion
massive energy surplus but may be contained in a self sustaining
fold into the ninth dimension of hyperspace.

Thus powering my interstellar fleet of trained uboat and fleet boat
skippers who adapt quickly to going dark and folding in and out of
realspace in stealth mode in their Stealth Battlestars.

Support civil liberties for AI Bill and we will all get through this.