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asanovic7 09-05-08 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Lance, this forum has been there. More than once.

there is no solution - in the meaning of the word - to global warming or as i prefer to say more precise and open to variations: climate change. It is happening, no matter mankind noting it or not. the only questions are 1.) whether or not we stop fueling it, 2.) whether we start trying to adapt to it as best as we still can or not, getting rolled over by it unprepared, 3.) wether or not there is enough time left for us to adapt in any way making a difference for us, and the biosphere on which we depend and all current life depends. It is not a future event that can be prevented. It already takes place. What meaningould the word "solution" have? The words to remember are "adaptation" and "damage control". Also, climate change not only affects man and his industry, but biosphere, botanic and zoologic life as well - and these again affect us. You can't pick out a simple phenomenon, adress it, and then think you are fine again.

before mankind dies as a species, it is our civilisation and communal structures that die, our culture. Earth, and "life" per se, has no problem with global warming. Man has the problem. earth does not care to have a hot desert all around, or an iceage, or a methane-poisened atmosphere. witzh or wothiut us, the shows keeps running. And currently it is not decided if man ever will become more than just a small three-word-footnote in the diary of this planet. And this is a problem for the ego of also religious self-understanding of quite many people. wenot being master of all life on earth? the meaning of life not revolving around us alone? homo sapiens not being the ultimate meaning of what life is all about, and evolution, and evolution?

What a heresy! It cannot be what should not be. Our forefathers wrote into the bible that we shall see ourselves as the greatest, the only ones, the ruler of all and everything. Well, megalomania of that kind usually ends with the patient being locked away in a white cell with rubber walls. :D

Yep, skybird really speaks like a prodigy.. :up:

Ongoing revolution is going on that we only participate in and not guiding or controlling it.. Still we don't have to shoot the rabbits to help them die out, now, don't we? :D We are accelerating it and that is not good..
We are pissing off the Gods..

moose1am 09-05-08 08:29 AM

The Arctic Sea is loosing it's ice during this summer
 
Sea Ice is so far off shore that the polar bears are stranded on the land mass and can't swim out to the ice and catch seals this summer. Scientists who were surveying the coast line's shore birds were forced to retreat when a polar bear showed up. Normally this time of the year the polar bears are all out on the sea ice but not this summer.

And yes it was just yesterday that scientists discovered that this shelf of ice had vanished. It fell of into the sea and floated away.

Ice does not melt and ice shelfs don't fall into the ocean when the earth cools down. That only happens as the Earth Warms up.

Remember all it takes is a few degrees of warming to melt ice. Ice melts when it gets above 32 deg F. So ice can go from 31 deg F to 33 deg F and melt. That's only a difference of two deg F. And the mean average temperature of the earth has risen more than 2 deg F.

I don't care where those pictures that Subman posted were manufactured, the Arctic Seas have much less ice now than before.

Why else would Russia start sending Bears out to Patrol the Arctic? They know as we know that the ice is melting up there and exposing rick oil resources for the taking. And they are going to try to claim the outer continental shelf's oil etc. They would not be doing that if there was too much ice covering the Arctic Ocean. But the ice is melting and exposing the water and that's why Russia is going after the oil in this region.

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Originally Posted by gee true
I saw this first, but then I thought good ole subman will see it next ...

So I let it go :cool:

Wait a minute your not talking about the 1,400 mile galcier that just fell into the ocean are you. I'll go get the article.

This thing is so big ... the glacier itself very very old.

Didn't the whole thing go crashing off at the same time and thats why it's so big?


Wolfehunter 09-05-08 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Lance, this forum has been there. More than once.

there is no solution - in the meaning of the word - to global warming or as i prefer to say more precise and open to variations: climate change. It is happening, no matter mankind noting it or not. the only questions are 1.) whether or not we stop fueling it, 2.) whether we start trying to adapt to it as best as we still can or not, getting rolled over by it unprepared, 3.) wether or not there is enough time left for us to adapt in any way making a difference for us, and the biosphere on which we depend and all current life depends. It is not a future event that can be prevented. It already takes place. What meaningould the word "solution" have? The words to remember are "adaptation" and "damage control". Also, climate change not only affects man and his industry, but biosphere, botanic and zoologic life as well - and these again affect us. You can't pick out a simple phenomenon, adress it, and then think you are fine again.

before mankind dies as a species, it is our civilisation and communal structures that die, our culture. Earth, and "life" per se, has no problem with global warming. Man has the problem. earth does not care to have a hot desert all around, or an iceage, or a methane-poisened atmosphere. witzh or wothiut us, the shows keeps running. And currently it is not decided if man ever will become more than just a small three-word-footnote in the diary of this planet. And this is a problem for the ego of also religious self-understanding of quite many people. wenot being master of all life on earth? the meaning of life not revolving around us alone? homo sapiens not being the ultimate meaning of what life is all about, and evolution, and evolution?

What a heresy! It cannot be what should not be. Our forefathers wrote into the bible that we shall see ourselves as the greatest, the only ones, the ruler of all and everything. Well, megalomania of that kind usually ends with the patient being locked away in a white cell with rubber walls. :D

Because Most people are lazy and most people don't give a rats arse....:nope:

If people cared and respect their world they would do something about it.

The only time these people will do something is when the world is dieing and their is no saving it. Then you will see masses waking up to the reality. But its too late.

To few fighting the fight and their tactics are too peaceful. Green peace etc. should be more aggressive.

asanovic7 09-05-08 09:06 AM

I agree
 
That's it man!!

Kill that profit making murderers, burn them to hell!!

:rock:

SS107.9MHz 09-05-08 12:35 PM

I've got some ideas to at least limit or recapture some of the CO2...
The thing about biofuels isn't as bad as it's supposed to be...of course that extracting ethanol from corn is ridiculous, the main problem of the biofuels is that instead of betting on economicaly viable cultures like sugar cane in brasil, most of the producers choose to keep producing the same cultures like corn and similar... about the "there won't be any food letf" that's rubbish, worldwide we already have more food than we're capable of consuming;my Invisible pink unicorn, in the european union we can't even produce what we can so we don't get fines! The problem is that poor countries don't have money to buy the exceding food from the producers. Brasil can be completely selsufficinet in terms of auto biofuel for instance. Europe is another matter, don't know the possibility of growing enough biodiesel for the EU market, but some plants like
Ceratonia siliqua, peanuts, or sunflower could in the meantime substancially relieve the demand for oil, before 3rd gen biofuel arrives. If we think of it biofuel is just solar power in chemical form...
Next, someguys in japan just figured out a simpler way to produce carbonfiber for cars, it's possible to recapture atmospheric C02 and make carbon fire for various uses, the problem was the fiber producing tecnology till now was too expensive...

SS107.9MHz 09-05-08 12:37 PM

Oh Skybird how do you rate the 590is? the 720is was one of the best entry level consumer cameras canon made, so i'm curious about thet one:hmm:

Skybird 09-05-08 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS107.9Mhz
Oh Skybird how do you rate the 590is? the 720is was one of the best entry level consumer cameras canon made, so i'm curious about thet one:hmm:

I wanted a replacement for the A75, and I did not want to spend much money. I got the A590 for 130 euros, and spüend another 10 euros on a 4 GB SD card.

Handling and philosophy is very similiar, it is a bit smaller, and I do not wish a camera to be any smaller than this, really. Plenty of options that work well, so does the image stabilisation - the most prominent feature that separates it from the 580. Picture quality is very nice, to my great surprise no more stitch mode for panorama shots included - but you do not need it, the included software will stitch all normal shots, correct broken perspectives, even exposure differences as I noted - I was stunned by the very good quality of the result. With a 4 GB chip, you can record videos of 50 minutes at 640x480, 20 pics per second, in surprisingly good quality. some motive automatic modes work very nice, especially the program for "leaves" made a very impressive difference over full automatic.

The only setback is that at ISO 400 and more the dark areas of pictures really become noticably noisy. Since i use such cameras mostly in P-mode or AV a Tv mode, I can manually program ISO 100 and leave it to that - problem solved. Image stabilisation helps considerably. no more 4, but just 2 AA batteries needed. 8 Megapix.

I love it, since I do not trust in the longevity of digital cameras i shy away from spending plenty of money into a digital EOS 450 or so, and stick with my old EOS 600, and buy digital cameras from the low price segment only - today they are so good that you must not spend much money, really. If then they break down after three years, like my last one, it's not so much a loss.

For 130 euros, the A590IS is a superior offer (the A720 costs 400 euros over here). Best value for money. I assume that it is running out soon, and that you can get it even cheaper before x-mas. If you have no exceptionnel demands, do not want to spend much money and want a small but extremely versatile camera to always carry with you, you have found it. the 720 and 590 imo are very much the same, with the 6x instead of 4x optical zoom being the most prominent difference in favour of the n720 - but if that feature alone is worth an additional 270 euros (the costs of 2 590s!) I dare to question, for me it was not. I love the 590. But I am a Canon lover anyway. My SLR is Canon, all my digital cameras are/were Canon, my printer is Canon, my scanner is Canon. Nice handling, superb quality of the work results, they've never let me down.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2008_...on_a590is.html

SS107.9MHz 09-05-08 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by SS107.9Mhz
Oh Skybird how do you rate the 590is? the 720is was one of the best entry level consumer cameras canon made, so i'm curious about thet one:hmm:

I wanted a replacement for the A75, and I did not want to spend much money. I got the A590 for 130 euros, and spüend another 10 euros on a 4 GB SD card.

Handling and philosophy is very similiar, it is a bit smaller, and I do not wish a camera to be any smaller than this, really. Plenty of options that work well, so does the image stabilisation - the most prominent feature that separates it from the 580. Picture quality is very nice, to my great surprise no more stitch mode for panorama shots included - but you do not need it, the included software will stitch all normal shots, correct broken perspectives, even exposure differences as I noted - I was stunned by the very good quality of the result. With a 4 GB chip, you can record videos of 50 minutes at 640x480, 20 pics per second, in surprisingly good quality. some motive automatic modes work very nice, especially the program for "leaves" made a very impressive difference over full automatic.

The only setback is that at ISO 400 and more the dark areas of pictures really become noticably noisy. Since i use such cameras mostly in P-mode or AV a Tv mode, I can manually program ISO 100 and leave it to that - problem solved. Image stabilisation helps considerably. no more 4, but just 2 AA batteries needed. 8 Megapix.

I love it, since I do not trust in the longevity of digital cameras i shy away from spending plenty of money into a digital EOS 450 or so, and stick with my old EOS 600, and buy digital cameras from the low price segment only - today they are so good that you must not spend much money, really. If then they break down after three years, like my last one, it's not so much a loss.

For 130 euros, the A590IS is a superior offer (the A720 costs 400 euros over here). Best value for money. I assume that it is running out soon, and that you can get it even cheaper before x-mas. If you have no exceptionnel demands, do not want to spend much money and want a small but extremely versatile camera to always carry with you, you have found it. the 720 and 590 imo are very much the same, with the 6x instead of 4x optical zoom being the most prominent difference in favour of the n720 - but if that feature alone is worth an additional 270 euros (the costs of 2 590s!) I dare to question, for me it was not. I love the 590. But I am a Canon lover anyway. My SLR is Canon, all my digital cameras are/were Canon, my printer is Canon, my scanner is Canon. Nice handling, superb quality of the work results, they've never let me down.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2008_...on_a590is.html

Thanx SBird.Oh, but now I can get the 720 for roughly the same price, being it an older model, completely agree on the camers size, it's jeust right, I'm currently using a Lumix FZ7 (Leica Power!:rock:) I do a bit of wildlife so the zoom is a must, and picture qualty, unless you'r shooting in the dark is quite good even with 6mp. Only complain is the 38mm starting point...eheh, f18 solved that though...

Skybird 09-05-08 05:09 PM

You're sure we talk about the same 720-camera?

SS107.9MHz 09-05-08 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
You're sure we talk about the same 720-camera?

eheheh, we're kinda hijacking this thread,:) but yes:
http://www.precos.com.pt/camaras-dig...p17537503.html
http://www.kuantokusta.pt/Imagem-Dig...ot-A720-IS.php
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/compare.php
It's about 50-60e more than the 590, not sure if it's worth it tough...

Skybird 09-06-08 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS107.9Mhz
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
You're sure we talk about the same 720-camera?

eheheh, we're kinda hijacking this thread,:) but yes:
http://www.precos.com.pt/camaras-dig...p17537503.html
http://www.kuantokusta.pt/Imagem-Dig...ot-A720-IS.php
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/compare.php
It's about 50-60e more than the 590, not sure if it's worth it tough...

You're lucky to get it so cheap down there. I would have given it a second thoght, maybe, if I would have seen it at 200 euros over here. But when I checked, some weeks ago, it was 400 euros, and not only with amazon, but others as well.

The IFA is over, prices use to drop for old equipment after it.

However, my choice still is cheaper by one third over here, so I am still happy and do not regret it.

Whehn you buy your camera, use these new Eneloop rechargable batteries by Sanyo, they really work great - no loss of energy when storing them for long, and having solid capacity (and again: no energy loss over time, at least none you would notice). they have 2300mA, i think. Yes, there are 2700 out there, but they use their loading over days and weeks, leaving you effectively with less loaded batteries after sime time. Does not happen with the eneloops, which gives them the advantage.

However, Ansmann digital 2700 are an extremely good choice, too.

Tchocky 09-06-08 06:45 PM

^^ Ahh, subsim :p ^^

SS107.9MHz 09-07-08 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by SS107.9Mhz
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
You're sure we talk about the same 720-camera?

eheheh, we're kinda hijacking this thread,:) but yes:
http://www.precos.com.pt/camaras-dig...p17537503.html
http://www.kuantokusta.pt/Imagem-Dig...ot-A720-IS.php
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/compare.php
It's about 50-60e more than the 590, not sure if it's worth it tough...

You're lucky to get it so cheap down there. I would have given it a second thoght, maybe, if I would have seen it at 200 euros over here. But when I checked, some weeks ago, it was 400 euros, and not only with amazon, but others as well.

The IFA is over, prices use to drop for old equipment after it.

However, my choice still is cheaper by one third over here, so I am still happy and do not regret it.

Whehn you buy your camera, use these new Eneloop rechargable batteries by Sanyo, they really work great - no loss of energy when storing them for long, and having solid capacity (and again: no energy loss over time, at least none you would notice). they have 2300mA, i think. Yes, there are 2700 out there, but they use their loading over days and weeks, leaving you effectively with less loaded batteries after sime time. Does not happen with the eneloops, which gives them the advantage.

However, Ansmann digital 2700 are an extremely good choice, too.

:up:"Gigddy-gigddy-gigddy Hawright!"
Thanks for the tip:D

darius359au 09-07-08 09:54 PM

Global warming = Having to drive a Prius there fore Global warming doesn't exist because there no way in Earth would I be caught dead in a Prius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcSOP2AzXU ;):lol::lol:


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