Math is music music is math
both are wonderful

Perhaps they most practical set of theories ever.
Wrong, but practical! :D

Glad to see we're getting some good, fair, clean debating. Keep it that way.:up:

Don't get me started...

But, of course, this is already largely true. For example, within the district in which I reside there are, aside from the public school, two Catholic primary schools, a Catholic high school, a Mennonite primary school, a Mennonite high school, four main-line Protestant primary schools and two main-line Protestant high schools. It would appear that the opportunities for the coverage of Creation are ample. You can go to the public school if you don't want it. One can also home-school. Thus, it is already a viable choice, rendering the preceeding arguments academic. They are the empty rhetoric of politicians and pundits.

Of course Creationism and Evolution should both be taught in schools!
School learning should not be about "facts" but rather about "The Human Condition".
Without the background information on what people generally believed (ie creationism, earth centralism.. etc),
what happened to Copernicus seems like just arbitrary cruelty... it was NOT arbitrary!! It may have (IMHO definitely was) wrong, but there was a reason for it.
As someone remarked early in this thread, the important thing is HOW it is taught.
I believe that most people with a "normal" IQ will see the elegance and veracity of the theories of Copernicus, Mendelson, and Darwin (plus many others).
Yet the other theories (I'm being generous here) have certainly had an effect on human behavior, and are therefore part of human history.
There will always be "competing theories" cobbled together to explain some aspect of our universe (ever hear of Sir Fredrick Hoyle’s "Steady State Universe" theory ?). Children must be educated enough so they can make reasonable decisions about these things.. that is one of our best hope for the future! ..Remember that at one time creationism, earth centralism, and other such things were generally believed in. Where would we be if competing theories like Evolution and Genetics were proscribed from being taught because they didn’t jive with what many people believed?

PS.. what would it take to get Skybird "started" ? :)

:lol: Well, the next time I hear someone cry out "Oh My Charles!" or "Darwin dammit!" when they're suddenly scared or surprised, I'll concede that Darwinian Evolution should be the only regimen taught in schools...

Teach creation all you want. It's creationism that bothers me.

Your wit cuts with the dullnes of Uwe Boll movies.

"Boll does not shy away from his critics".
"Boll made headlines by challenging his critics to "put up or shut up".

Cool! Anyone with the balls to adapt movies from video games is fine by me. Better to try something and be panned than to sit back and let the critics dictate policy... :up:

I don't really want creationism, as defined here, to be taught in our schools. On the other hand I don't want some atheist jerk teaching evolution to be telling my kid they are stupid for believing in God either.

Can I have it both ways?

In Germany, yes.;)

We teach religion at school (to those who want it, we don't force anybody). Meanwhile we also have history and biology which teach evolution. Everyone can make up his/her own mind about that.

BTW I had to attend to the religion lessons while I was in elementary school (my parents insisted although they don't believe in god themselfes they wanted me to learn a bit about religion to understand my own culture better). Here they don't teach you that Christianity is the only truth on earth. They just teach you what the main religions (Christianity, Islam..etc) are believing in. Never saying: "This is the right way and that is the wrong one and you WILL go to hell for it..." They just say :"In the christian belief this is right and that is wrong..."

You just learn what the religions are based on to understand them.

Thankfully not many of us are jerks who tell people that they're stuped for believing in God (Albeit there are some jerks out there). This is why I really like the Unitarian way of doing things.

but we do not teach religious dogmas as biological or scientific thoeries, and we do not teach religion in biology or physics lessons, and we do not allow missionosing or making religious lessons obligatory, and we do not allow discrimination whatever if somebody does not join such lessons.


I was banned from religious lessons, twice, for the rest of the schoolyears. I asked too many questions (and called one teacher dumb). :p Was ein Häkchen werden will, krümmt sich beizeiten! :smug:

Never said we do, I only pointed out to August that it is possible to get lessons about religion and science in school.
Seperated from each other.:D

BTW
here the state is teaching religion in school and not some private fanatics.