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Originally Posted by Frederf

Falcon 4.0 and Falcon AF are realllllly close to the same game but they aren't. Falcon 4.0 is older and isn't the "Falcon 4.5" that AF is but 4.0 has the benefit of having the "Open Falcon" modification community which has basically gone to town on the old bird for some very impressive results. It's waaay updated. IL-2 is really cool except that the campaign is very... eastern european developer'd. Falcon is more like a war sim with a flight sim attached instead of the other way around. You could play a very interesting game without ever getting in the cockpit and thus the generated content is a little better feeling. I like how IL-2 flies and the Falcon 4.0 world.

Find/Buy Falcon 4.0 and get OpenFalcon. You'll like it muuuch better than AF.

I have the original Falcon 4.0 - In the big spiral bound manual to go with! I'll have to see if Open Falcon gives me anything over AF. I haven't seen anything out of the community that would suggest as much. I see some better looking explosions, and slightly better clouds. Not much else to trade for the downgrade. What would I be missing?

I used to play with the BMS 2.0 mods way back when, but AF is a better product, not to mention is supports dual core.

-S

Studying the graphics in Open Falcon, the puffy cloud missile and explosions look worse, not better!

A bunch of vids can be found here - http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/ind...?topic=10810.0

-S

Hope you guys don't mind if I continue the Falcon talk. It really sucks when a complex game has a crappy tutorial. IL2 and Civ 4 come to my mind right now. A game can be learned so much more quickly and easily with a comprehensive, hands on, tutorial.

I'm wondering if Falcon has a good tutorial mode. It sucks having to learn by reading/screwing around when a game could just make a tutorial. IL2 for example. That game had the worst tutorial I had ever seen. Espcially disconcerting because it was a sim. It had those lame watch and pay attention recordings, but no actual hands on tutorial. It didn't help that I'm colorblind and had immense difficulty reading the red fonts used in the training recordings. It took me too long to get decent at that game because of those reasons. I'm surprised I didn't give up.

So yeah, would be much easier to get into a game like Falcon if it has a good tutorial mode.

If i remember correctly all the versions of falcon 4 have extensive training missions, the only problem is they are the manual in hand kind (which is fine for the original f4 manual, but bad if your working off a pdf unless you have a second monitor or a laptop)

F4 AF has 30 training missions (all hands on) and a couple hundred pages to go with the missions in the manual. You can also make your own "training" missions too. There are also a pile of other external tutorials (the flash "ramp start" program is very handy to learn the sequence).

Also the worst is sims with no training missions at all in either format, i can think of several that are like that.

Are there still copies of Falcon with this giant manual? Where might I find one? It would kinda suck to get stuck with a gigantic PDF. Not too bad though as I do use a second monitor.

Heh,

/Seinfeld
And what's the deal with game manuals these days?

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Hmm, would be cool to hear what the actual differences are. I have heard that OF is supposed to be more realistic and better looking. I haven't heard exactly why though.

With AF, you don't ever get a manual and you need more than the old F4 Manual.

PDF is it. Best to print out the relevant training missions and have them in hand. Second monitor trick won't work - You will not be able to turn pages on it, and many times a change in resolution will send the page off the second screen half way. I should know, I run multi monitors in this office at once and the manual scrolls half way off screen due to a different res being used.

-S