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rifleman13 06-18-08 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Good, old fashioned propaganda!:nope:

Skybird 06-18-08 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Why should we even care if he's a Muslim? Mitt Romney is a Mormon, FFS. Why can't we gripe about that?

This country guarantees that any natural born citizen has the right to run for president. It also guarantees the freedom of religion. However, with Christians quickly taking over, that right is slowly becoming disregarded.

Who cares if he's a Muslim. So long as he makes a good president, he should have your vote. That's all you need to care about.

That naivety must be intentional, I assume. :dead: you once said something that you had seen too much bad in war as if you could believe in Allah anymore. But if you think you can heal the world by just ignoring the the institutions and construction people form around religions, then I must tell you the world is not such as if this could ever work. a world where peple do not care for religious institutions, or other people's beliefs - it would be a desirable utopia. But man's world is no such paradise, but a jungle.

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Nevertheless, as Mikhayl already said, the accusation against Obama is a myth, that is tried time and again since one year and longer. It works by raising fears that then irrationally overcome reason. You could as well accuse McCain of being the secret head of the KKK.

Wether or not trying this myth time and again is a dirty trick played by politically active campaigners, or posters, or both, i leave to the creative imagination of every individual.

Platapus 06-18-08 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece
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Could turn out to be a good thing for americans if he is Muslim, might relax the muslims attitude towards Americans
After September 11 I doubt the attitude of Americans towards muslims wil relax!:-?


Why. Did American attitudes against Christens change after OK City?

Skybird 06-18-08 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Why. Did American attitudes against Christens change after OK City?

1. Man is neither as reasonable as you seem to imply,
2. pictures have the more power over the irrational mind the more epic they are, and
3. 9/11 was an attack motivated by Islamic ideology.

I hope that helps over the "Why".

Has naivety become an argument lately?

SUBMAN1 06-18-08 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Why. Did American attitudes against Christens change after OK City?

Timothy McVey had nothing to do with Christianity during his attack. I think you are mixing him up with Koresh.

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SUBMAN1 06-18-08 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Obama and most his fans have no problem throwing out the racist card because I believe they think African Americans are exempt from being racists.

If McCain wins, You will never here the end of it. People are setting that scenario up that it is racism, even now, in the hopes they will guilt you into voting for Obama.

McCain will win. All the demo's are gathering around him now so he has support from both sides of the aisle - shows you what the dems think of Obama.

Anyway, Obama better be careful with the race card - I don't know of a single white voter that takes kindly to any race cards flying around. I'm pretty sure all white people are sick of the race card and only expect it from the likes of Jesse Jackson, and not from a president. He has a chance if he runs a clean campaign, but no chance if the race card comes out.

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Kapitan_Phillips 06-18-08 05:45 AM

Muslim or not, he's still running for presidency.

Von Tonner 06-18-08 06:04 AM

To those who persist in flogging this blatant untruth that Obama is a muslim ask yourself this simple question.

If he was a closet Muslim in whose interest would this be if it was true?

Lets start with Hillary, Foxnews, the GOP, McCain to name but a few in whose interest this would be. All of them, have invested time and money in trying to find just a sliver of evidence to support this claim. CNN, for example, sent a investigative team down to Jakarta where Obama did his elementary schooling and found, contrary to claims by Murdoch's media empire, that it wasn't a madrassa at all.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701230010

This kind of crap spewed out over the internet has made it necessary for the Obama campaign to set up a website dedicated to fight these untruths.

So before you, in your gullibility, believe the email or posting that tells you he used the Koran when sworn into the Senate, or he wasn't born in the US etc, check out:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/conte...thesmearshome/ and do your bit to help fight the smears.

After all, whatever your political persuasion, surely the 'truthfulness' of any statement takes precedence over what you might wish or hope for?

Tchocky 06-18-08 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
After all, whatever your political persuasion, surely the 'truthfulness' of any statement takes precedence over what you might wish or hope for?

Don't be silly :p

I remember a voter poll in mid-April (I think), where 13% of voters believed Obama was a Muslim.
I wonder if this overlapped with the demographic worried about Rev Wright?

http://isbarackobamaamuslim.com/

SUBMAN1 06-18-08 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
To those who persist in flogging this blatant untruth that Obama is a muslim ask yourself this simple question.

If he was a closet Muslim in whose interest would this be if it was true?

Lets start with Hillary, Foxnews, the GOP, McCain to name but a few in whose interest this would be. All of them, have invested time and money in trying to find just a sliver of evidence to support this claim. CNN, for example, sent a investigative team down to Jakarta where Obama did his elementary schooling and found, contrary to claims by Murdoch's media empire, that it wasn't a madrassa at all.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701230010

This kind of crap spewed out over the internet has made it necessary for the Obama campaign to set up a website dedicated to fight these untruths.

So before you, in your gullibility, believe the email or posting that tells you he used the Koran when sworn into the Senate, or he wasn't born in the US etc, check out:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/conte...thesmearshome/ and do your bit to help fight the smears.

After all, whatever your political persuasion, surely the 'truthfulness' of any statement takes precedence over what you might wish or hope for?

I don't think you have it right. Overwhelming evidence from his brother to his ex teachers say different.

Its not that he is a Muslim now - maybe he is not, but he should come out of the closet regardless.

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Von Tonner 06-18-08 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
I remember a voter poll in mid-April (I think), where 13% of voters believed Obama was a Muslim.
I wonder if this overlapped with the demographic worried about Rev Wright?

http://isbarackobamaamuslim.com/

You are quite right, that is one of the reasons that the Obama campaign has set up this website to fight the smears. Just as the internet can and has helped Obama in seeing off challengers in his quest for the White House, it also has a negative to it.

As an example, we are already now onto page 3 discussing the OP erroneous statement that Obama is a muslim - and this is Subsim - can you imagine the crap out there on sites dedicated to trashing him.

Skybird 06-18-08 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
So, it's not ok for Obama to play the "race card", but it's ok to try to dismiss him because he's muslim (well :roll: ). Just trying to follow :D

Dismissing somebody for skin colour etc, is racism.

Dismissing somebody for the ideology he commits to, is holding him responsible.

You would hold me responsible for holding up Nazism, if I would do that, right? and right you would do. It would not be racism, but determination to confront the political goals I would stand for, if I would defend Nazism.

Should the board call you a racist, when you would confront me then? Hardly.

jumpy 06-18-08 11:00 AM

Seems to me that if Obama looses, he'll probably distance himself from any voiced opinion declaring that it was somehow 'racist' if he doesn't win. If he want's to keep any graciousness in defeat, of course.
That a black man is a presidential candidate, when only 40 years ago america still had separate drinking fountains and special seats on the buses for the 'darkies', must show some value for change in american society; at least publicly if not behind some closed doors.

August 06-18-08 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpy
Seems to me that if Obama looses, he'll probably distance himself from any voiced opinion declaring that it was somehow 'racist' if he doesn't win. If he want's to keep any graciousness in defeat, of course.
That a black man is a presidential candidate, when only 40 years ago america still had separate drinking fountains and special seats on the buses for the 'darkies', must show some value for change in american society; at least publicly if not behind some closed doors.

I should point that those laws existed only in a few states but yeah, we have come a long way in 40 years.

SUBMAN1 06-18-08 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
You are quite right, that is one of the reasons that the Obama campaign has set up this website to fight the smears. Just as the internet can and has helped Obama in seeing off challengers in his quest for the White House, it also has a negative to it.

As an example, we are already now onto page 3 discussing the OP erroneous statement that Obama is a muslim - and this is Subsim - can you imagine the crap out there on sites dedicated to trashing him.

Wong answer! :D What you are seeing is Obamas website already caught in a lie! Go tell this stuff to his brother! ;) You might get a laugh out of him.

In the meantime, explain how he didn't practice Islam after reading this website too - http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

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