| mrbeast |
03-16-08 01:38 PM |
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Originally Posted by Iceman
You are pointing out shades of grey...the end desired result is the same.As you say propaganda and lack of actual intel will kill you.To try to wash over and belittle such known hatred that the Muslim world has for the West is an insult to any intelligent person here.They are fundamentaly different cultures that do not and will not ever mix or co-exsist peacefully.You have thousands of years of wars and death as proof.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Yes, lack of intel and relying on propaganda when forming opinions is fatal.
So why in the second part of your post do you revert to the very same propaganda nonsense that the 'Muslim World' hates us, wants to destroy us etc etc?
There are Islamic fundamentalists who harbour great hatred for the west and its influence over areas that they regard as being the dominion of Islam. But to take these as evidence that the 'Muslim World' hates the west is like taking white supremacists and nazis as evidence that the western world hates Jews and Black people.
Agreed there are large numbers of muslims who don't like the way the west deals with the middle east and particularly the Israel/Palestine conflict, but I doubt that a majority of Muslims harbour implacable hatred the way you charaterise the situation.
Also the 'clash of cultures thesis is very simplistic and doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. Islam and the west did not develop separately or in a vaccum. They are not fundamentally different cultures at all. Muslims and westerners have engaged with eachother, traded and lerned from eachother for over a thousand years. If it wasn't for muslim scholars, much of what we regard as being the foundations of western culture, such as works by the great classical authors, would never have survived the Dark Ages. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share a common origin in that they are all Abrahamic religions and share a joint mythology, aspects of Islam are actually adopted from Christianity. The shape of its mosques is adopted from Byzantine churches, its bowing is also adopted from early Christianity.
As to a history of warfare between west and Islam, as antikristuseke points out, Europe has suffered just as much if not more internal conflict than it has with Islam. Infact the Crusades, the greatest example of western/Muslim conflict were precipitated because of the levels of conflict in Europe. Pope Urban II leapt upon the chance to direct European martial attentions away from fighting eachother, Chrstians killing Christians, to a more theologically acceptable Christians killing non-Christians.
Platapus isn't pissing down anybody's back, but frankly to spout simplistic nonsense is a greater insult to peoples intelligence. |
