That's the million dollar question :hmm:

She'd have kicked arizona's a$$ wheres my million.
Luck is a strong mitigating factor in the history
of succesful Warships.

LMAO http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...es/ROFLMAO.gif http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...es/ROFLMAO.gif

The truly great ships were great because of their deeds.

Warspite, Bismarck, Scharnhorst, Houston/Perth, Cossack, Norfolk, Adrias, Penelope, Derrflinger and Seydlitz and others all earned their reputation for what they did not their technical read outs no matter how impressive some of those have been.
Great ships by their newer equipment, often improved because of the deeds of earlier ships had the bad luck of showing up after the show as over.
The Iowa class was the all around best battleship but when commissioned the battleship no longer played the center stage role nor were they the deciding factor in the war's outcome just helpers to those that now were.
The Bismarck battle was crucial because it could have changed the course of the war but in 44 no such possibility existed for any battleship no matter how "super".

Wulfmann

100% right:yep:....Personally I care very much about the esthetical profile of a ship, you can call me a feticist :D.
some drawings/photos of my favourite girl:D : (sorry for the big images)
http://www.sms-navy.com/SMS_Derfflin...bdqtr_1918.jpg

http://www.sms-navy.com/SMS_Derfflin...nedrw-side.jpg

She took a lot of kicks, but she came back:D
http://www.sms-navy.com/SMS_Derfflin...utland_BDA.jpg

.......And in the British corner we have HMS Warspite......

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6...spite2sgq4.jpg http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2402/warspitekc3.jpg http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1...nocean1jt7.jpg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2...dedatprqh6.jpg

The image at bottom right shows her beached while on her way to the breakers, the old girl wouldn't go down without a fight!:arrgh!:

BTW cool pictures linerkiller.:up:

Find them and more other here:
http://german-navy.tripod.com/

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/warspite.htm

http://www.maritimequest.com/warship...s_warspite.htm

USS Missouri.

Famous for, as an example, the fact that the unconditional surrender of the Japanese Empire to the Allied Forces was signed onboard the Missouri.

Surrender photos http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...ansur/js-8.htm

Great post with positive thought of favorite ships all deserving of them and their brave crews.

While I would like to agree on USS Missouri considering my Uncle served on her from before commissioning until his discharge and he met my aunt to whom he was married for over 50 years when the Mighty Mo went from port to port showing off the plaque the truth is that great ship served as an escort and shore-bombarder and even her glory of the surrender was a bit unfair as Whiskey (USS Wisconsin) was in the bay for a week but Truman insisted his home state's ship be the one that got that honor.

When Mo entered the war the battleship was no longer "the" ship. That ended with a torpedo in the stern of Bismarck and the sinking of the HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse.
The seas were no longer to be ruled "on" the seas but above and below the water.

Can one look at Derrflinger, put stack covers, enclose the mast and add an Atlantic bow and wow what a beautiful ship we would have. Trunk the exhaust into one stack and poof, Scharnhorst and/or Bismarck, close enough

Wulfmann

Very accurate observation Wulfmann:yep:
Actually, the Scharnhorst class was based on the WW1 plans of the 32000-ton battlecruiser Mackensen, which was never completed. Only differences were the "cruiser" stern, the planned two funnels trunked into one, a more massive tower and, lately, a clipper bow... The mackensen was in fact an improved derfflinger, bigger, slightly faster, and with 355mm guns
http://www.sms-navy.com/SMS_Mackensen-linedrw_b.gif

The next projected step, the Yorck class armed with eight 15 inch guns:arrgh!:
http://www.sms-navy.com/SMS_Ersatz-Yorck-linedrw_b.gif
In the end, they were only bigger copies of the Derfy;)

Hi,

as we are getting a little into WWI, maybe someone is interested in "Jutland" which is soon to be out.

http://www.stormeaglestudios.com/pub...e_Jutland.html

The graphics aren`t as glorious as in SH3, but it`s ok.

I already have the earlier title from SES, "Distant Guns", which deals with the Russo-Japanese war at sea in 1904/05. Interesting for us Sub-simmers, is the goal of the campaign as the Russian player, you have to disrupt the re-supply through sinking or capturing as many merchants as possible, this is the only way to halt the Japanese ground attack. Unlike in SH3 your efforts at sea really decide the war.

DG for sure is the best Navy RTS since the "Fighting Steel" series from SSI. A free Demo download is available, but here you are only able to play a single scenario, the game really shines in the campaign. What one has to get used to is the short ranges these battles where fought, effective gun range begins only at around 3 km.

Greets

Z.

PS.: Some of my favourite screenshots from DG:

My Armoured cruisers hunting down some unlucky light cruisers:

http://www.zakalwe.de/pics/DG/DG7.jpg

Admiral Togo`s fleet

http://www.zakalwe.de/pics/DG/DG8.jpg

My heavy metal (three Battleships and two Armoured Cruisers) in heavy weather, notice the smoke is blown ahaed of the ships)

http://www.zakalwe.de/pics/storm2.jpg

Into the sun:

http://www.zakalwe.de/pics/DG/DG3.jpg

JUTLAND!!!!! :eek:

How in the universe did I miss that in dev!

Very cool can't wait togive that a spin when its released:cool:

yup,

sometimes I think marketing isn`t very well done by SES. Even their own website is dead for months at times, so you could come to the conclusion the project is dead.

btw. never realized that Warspite and sisters once had two funnels.... :oops: