Well,
What if you put a River in a Hockey game?
THAT would get me to buy Pay Per View!!!
:rotfl:

I always thought tyson should have been drafted by the Flyers.:doh:

Bwahaahaa! :rotfl:

I want to see that turret going off and that duck doing backflips all the way to the moon :rock:

ROFL

Problem was,
he couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time.
Never mind skates!!!!!

:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

This is what happens if you give a U-boat a new toy.:D:D
Crew has no idea what to do with it ??:rotfl::rotfl::arrgh!::damn:

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/22671f80ce/1084713.jpg
But the gun looks so COOL COOOOOL :up::up::up:

I agree wholeheartedly!!!

Your configuration with a single 37mm on the foredeck, and a 20mm twin on the Wintergarten looks so BELIEVABLE!!! If that setup had been offered in the original game, I don't think that one person out of 100 would have realized it wasn't a real option! (At least not right away!) It just looks RIGHT!

The solid, practical look of this mod raises the interesting question; “In Real Life, why wasn’t it done??”

Being a Mechanical Engineer, my first thought was that there must have been a significant difference in weight, or the amount of stress applied to the hull; .....But neither criteria seems to offer a conclusive “why not”.

A C38 20mm Twin on a pedestal mount weighs approximately 1200 pounds (544kg) and a M42 37mm Single on a pedestal mount weighs approximately 1500 pounds (680kg). Knowing how “German Engineering” tends to be, I can’t believe that a 136kg difference would be a “deal breaker”.

There is a significant difference in recoil between the two rounds, but even this doesn’t offer a clear explanation for not mounting a 37mm.

The 37mm fires a AP projectile that weighs 1.54 pounds (.69kg) with a muzzle velocity of 2674 fps (815 mps)

The 20mm fires an AP projectile that weighs .326 pounds (.148kg) with a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps (800 mps)

As you can see, the velocity of the two rounds is virtually identical, so the difference in recoil impulse is going to come from the weight difference alone. This means that each recoil impulse of the 37mm is going to be 4.6 times larger than impulse created by the 20mm.

But there is more to consider! The C38 20mm twin has a practical rate of fire of 440 rounds per minute, whereas the M42 37mm has a rate of fire of 250 rounds per minute. This means that in terms of kilogram/meters per minute, the 37mm is actually only delivering three times the “thrust” of the 20mm installation. This sort of increase can be addressed by localized bracing and reinforcement.

In the U.S. Military, “Non-standard Field Modifications” are almost a tradition. Was the German doctrine at the time specifically opposed to such things???

klcarroll

I'm a mechanical engineer also. And I don't think it has anything to with the added weight. More likely it has to do with Airpower. When they used the 2B russian airpower was to strong I think. and for the rest it was a trainer no real front boat

I am sure you're correct: .....From the "Official" point of view.

I'm just puzzled by the fact that no such "Unofficial Field Modification" ever occurred: .......Particularly when you note that several of the Black Sea TypeIIBs were fitted with rocket launchers, which were actually used to cover the German withdrawl from the area!

To me, Rocket Launchers seem much more "far-fetched" than a single 37mm: ....And yet they did that!



@Kpt. Lehmann;

Don't worry! .......I am not even considering asking for Rocket Launchers! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

klcarroll

I'm looking forward to this mod. It must be awesome to have a 37mm available.

I want this for my u-boat it could help me with those dam destroyers:smug:

The rockets look to me that those are in a sense modified "nebelwerfers" the 1st ground to ground missile (Rocket propelled bombs). The russian Stalin organs (katyusha) where their counter part on the Russian front. But the nebelwerfer where far more precise. And where later war mounted on almost evrything that moved, mainly the Halftracks. So it seems kinda logical to mount them also on Subs.

The 37mm AA gun wasn't a good ground attack weapon, even the PAK 37 (anti-tank gun) wasn't that good. It couldn't penetrate any armor after early war and most German infantery Platoons "lost" their piece and used Panzer-schreck and the Panzer-Faust.

In short it makes no sense to put a 37mm slow firing gun on a small unstable platform.

Remember this is a game so shooting down planes is a lot easier ingame :)

The rockets mounted on the subs were 21cm rockets (also used, indeed, by some Nebelwerfers). They were by no means the first ground-to-ground rockets, those had been popular for a more than a century before, and the Katyusha was developed parallel to the Nebelwerfer, rather than in answer to it. Both the Nebelwerfer and Katyusha were psychologically effective, even though standard artillery was more efficient pound for pound. The whole barrage came down before the infantry could take cover, which instilled them with a sense of helplessness.
The 3,7 was adequate in the beginning of the war for harassment, but it was discontinued as obsolete very early on. The gun was not very useful as anti-tank weapon or anti-infantry, but the 3,7 was quite able to put holes in ships. Most important, it was the smallest calibre that could consistently put a plane hors de combat with one hit. Still, first you need to hit anything, and from a rolling duck it would be hard to do.

I don't know. Planes were historically very bad shots, and during parts of the war there were an order of magnitude more planes lost to U-boote than the other way around.

There you go. Therefore, we need this mod! :ping: