Yer, I go grouse beating and everyone gets shot at least once. We all wear goggles, so
the worst that can happen is spending a few hours naked in the back of a land rover
whilst someone picks bits of lead out of you with some teasers.

I would guess the effective range is about 100ft if you want to seriously injure someone. Beyond that you will just blind them and/or
mess up their skin.

I have got hit just above my eyebrow and just under my right wrist.

Also, even murderes find it easier to shoot because it is less traumatic than killing
with a bladed weapon. It is emotionaly easier to kill from a few meters away.

That's why every Ninja has his Shurikens at hand.

I wouldnt bet on that, hammers are actually quite handy when it comes to killing people.

And you can't from a gun? People do it all the time from these crazies, including many in this mall. Range reduces accuracy. And do not tell me old people can outrun a youth - that's BS.

People totally act like a deer in the headlights when it comes to guns - mainly because they don't understand them.

-S

PS. A shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot in the mall - there is no distance inside a mall that is too great a range, and especially not in a dept store as this one was.

And who exactly is going to go on a killing spree with birdshot? Hahahaha! :D Buckshot goes much farther and will kill. It is designed to kill large animals at decent range.

Ahh, but you can't buy that kind of shot for love nor' money here.
I wouldn't have the first clue how to get my hands on any if my life depended on it.

If you wanted to go on a killing spree in the UK, your best bet would be a .202 rifle.
You can get hold of one of them if you can prove your need for it.
(just sold mine after the certificate ran out).
Bolt action manual chambers doesn't lend it's self to mass murder tho.

It might around here. Too many people have this uber gun image and will act like a deer caught in the headlights if they ever see one. :D

-S

Actually Charles Joseph Whitman managed to kill 14 and wound 31 with a bolt action rifle.

And single shot bolt action rifles probably account for the majority of terrorist deaths in Iraq right now.

-S

hehe, you couldn't really do that with a .22 that conforms to the UK energy limit.

Perhaps with a UK deer firearm (.308), but you can't get hold of them unless you have a wild
deer heard that you are responsible for.

Sure you can. More people in the US have been killed by .22 than any other cartridge combined.

-S

Nah, I was talking about sitting on a building and snipeing with one like Mr Whitman.

I would guess .22 rifles account for most deaths in the UK, just because they are legal and easy to get hold of.
I don't know of any killing sprees with them, but im sure its possible.

There have even been murders here with 12lb air guns!

You should see what can be done with a cheap Ruger 10/22 that costs $200. I shot one some months back that had been decked out to about a $3,000 rifle. Trust me when I say, it would work fine for the job of sitting there and sniping. I could hit a dime sized spot from 50 yards with that thing. Never thought you could do that to a .22.

-S

My last sufferd from a flimsy sight, it adjusted with the recoil after 20-odd shots.
Everynow and again it failed to take rabbits down with one shot as well.

A vast improvement on the 12lb Air rifle I now have to use tho.

Speaking of OT.
I am correct but abortions are a much greater tragedy? :-?