Something from the previous Liberty thread I have never understood.

The Liberty was basically a WW2 cargo ship. These things could be and were sunk with a single WW2 era torpedo, yet the Israelis weren't able to sink it in spite of several hours of constant air and seaborne attacks using modern weapons.

If this was indeed a deliberate attempt by the Israelis to sink the ship, murder the crew and blame it on the Egyptians and/or Russians then why weren't these objectives accomplished? One would think that for such an operation to have any chance at success the ship and crew would have had to be taken out instantly before any communication could be made Yet not only was the attack conducted with the wrong equipment for such purposes (strafing jets for example), it was also very poorly coordinated with the torpedo boats showing up long after the jets had begun the attack.

Then once the proper tools for the job were finally gathered together the Israelis broke off the attack when clearly finishing the job would have been in their best interests. A basic rule of covert operations is that you don't leave witnesses alive to tell the tale so why did they?

Okay. You believe the Israeli version of events while I believe the crew events and that Israel knowingly attacked an American vessel.
Good enough?

Who to believe huh. I'll believe an affidavit because Boston has nothing to gain.


:) I search till I find what I want. Unless it's pornographic I'll use it.

No. How does the crew "know" what went on in the command room and over the phone in Tel Aviv?

How does the crew "know" what the pilots overhead attacking them were thinking?

Absolutely stupid.
Only his reputation. :roll:
Once again, we are what we eat.

Ain't that the fact.
Interesting to note that the US would not allow Kidd to go to Israel during the investigation wouldn't you say? Kind of lop sided.

I'm reading the declassified report from the NSA right now. 83 pages so this will take a bit.

Not really. I find it hard to believe that the Israeli pilot and gunboat skipper was that incompetent is all.

I agree with Lurchi, looks like it was on purpose, but why ... will have to wait for some insider's book.

I would rather be friends with Israel than on their enemies side any old day.

Apparently every President since Harry Truman agree's. :yep:

What precisely do you view as their incompetence? Have you ever flown over a ship in a jet, under pre-assumptions that the ship might be an armed enemy ship?

As pointed out by others here, many other friendly fire incidents have occurred in modern military history. Yet this one magically cannot be! :hmm:

Keep in mind that it was Judge Cristol who sued the NSA in the first place to have that information released to the public.

A low level recon flight, people sunbathing, people waving, a great big American flag, a cargo vessel who's silhouette and size match nothing in Egyptian inventory, an antenna farm, huge latin numbers, US Navy grey, no evasive maneuvers.

I know that but few had the time line from beginning to end of this one.

In fact, Israeli records show that the ship was at first identified as American by the slower recon plane that made the initial passes.

Why don't you read the detailed records and logs before posting?

...and they always will with such a huge Jewish voting population in the States :yep:

I thought there was an American flag flying but I don't see one in any of the pictures from the site referenced by MadMike.

Taken after the battle. Where is the flag?

http://www.ussliberty.com/g/lg/sliberty.jpg

Jews represent under 2% of the US voting population. And the vast majority of them vote Democratic.
I think it was knocked down in the first attack run. Not sure and I'm too tired to read the reports now.

Ok but I don't see one in the pre attack pictures either. Then there is the hull markings. I have never seen a US Navy ship marked like that with smaller letters preceeding the ship number.

1.78% 5,648,500 give or take a few :D

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/jewpop.html

An awful lot of votes in any language :yep: