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Skybird 06-06-07 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rose
All I am saying is that not all Muslims are calling for death to the infidel. There are good ones. There are bad ones.
To stick to your language - but the Quran calls for the death to the infidels - or their subjugation and then discrimination (which in history often led to exploitation: see Spain).

Good muslims you said. how do you define that? Is a good Muslim following or violating the Quran? If you mean"good" in the meaning of "humane and friendly", then this is violating Quran'S rules of how to deal with infidels ( namely intolerant, discriminatory, and killing them or subjugating them, and bring islam by force to all world: reflected by hiostory: Islam almost always has been spread by the use of violance and force only). but if he is violating the Quran so massively, why do you call him a Muslim then (or why does he wish to be seen as one, then)? And if a Muslim is followng the Quranic rules on how to deal with infidels (namels treating them as non-equals or slaves), this would be following Muhammad's rules (therefor "good muslim"), but violating Western standards ("bad Muslim").

I don't see good and bad Muslims. I see Muslims that are in conformity with the Quran, and Muslims that contradict themselves.

And in the main I see and focus on (and argue about) the ideology of Islam anyway, not single people.

Rose 06-06-07 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rose
All I am saying is that not all Muslims are calling for death to the infidel. There are good ones. There are bad ones.
To stick to your language - but the Quran calls for the death to the infidels - or their subjugation and then discrimination (which in history often led to exploitation: see Spain).

Good muslims you said. how do you define that? Is a good Muslim following or violating the Quran? If you mean"good" in the meaning of "humane and friendly", then this is violating Quran'S rules of how to deal with infidels ( namely intolerant, discriminatory, and killing them or subjugating them, and bring islam by force to all world: reflected by hiostory: Islam almost always has been spread by the use of violance and force only). but if he is violating the Quran so massively, why do you call him a Muslim then (or why does he wish to be seen as one, then)? And if a Muslim is followng the Quranic rules on how to deal with infidels (namels treating them as non-equals or slaves), this would be following Muhammad's rules (therefor "good muslim"), but violating Western standards ("bad Muslim").

I don't see good and bad Muslims. I see Muslims that are in conformity with the Quran, and Muslims that contradict themselves.

And in the main I see and focus on (and argue about) the ideology of Islam anyway, not single people.
Look at the Old Testament -- we are supposed to stone our children if they do not obey us. No one (well, maybe a few people, I really don't know) follows this code. I see this as a direct correlation to the Qu'ran. Or is the section on killing/discriminating against "infidels" a main theme of the Qu'ran? If it really is one of the main themes of Islam, then I guess my friends would be violating the Qu'ran and they are "contradictory" Muslims as you say. But then again, so would the other 800,000,000 Muslims who don't use or condone violence to further their religious goals.

*Edit:* I got the idea that the thread topic is about the PEOPLE who follow Islam, not the ideology.

Tchocky 06-06-07 07:36 PM
Sky, would you prefer it if all people who regard themselves as Muslim followed the Quran and the teachings of Mohammed to the letter, in every possible way?

It sounds like you're cheesed off at their lapsed fanaticism :-?

Letum 06-06-07 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rose
All I am saying is that not all Muslims are calling for death to the infidel. There are good ones. There are bad ones.
To stick to your language - but the Quran calls for the death to the infidels - or their subjugation and then discrimination (which in history often led to exploitation: see Spain).

Good muslims you said. how do you define that? Is a good Muslim following or violating the Quran? If you mean"good" in the meaning of "humane and friendly", then this is violating Quran'S rules of how to deal with infidels ( namely intolerant, discriminatory, and killing them or subjugating them, and bring islam by force to all world: reflected by hiostory: Islam almost always has been spread by the use of violance and force only). but if he is violating the Quran so massively, why do you call him a Muslim then (or why does he wish to be seen as one, then)? And if a Muslim is followng the Quranic rules on how to deal with infidels (namels treating them as non-equals or slaves), this would be following Muhammad's rules (therefor "good muslim"), but violating Western standards ("bad Muslim").

I don't see good and bad Muslims. I see Muslims that are in conformity with the Quran, and Muslims that contradict themselves.

And in the main I see and focus on (and argue about) the ideology of Islam anyway, not single people.
Nothing wrong with contradicting your religion. It's almost a part of religion! Every religion I can think of does it to some extent.

Arf @ Tchocky! :rotfl: very good!

fatty 06-06-07 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rose
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rose
All I am saying is that not all Muslims are calling for death to the infidel. There are good ones. There are bad ones.
To stick to your language - but the Quran calls for the death to the infidels - or their subjugation and then discrimination (which in history often led to exploitation: see Spain).

Good muslims you said. how do you define that? Is a good Muslim following or violating the Quran? If you mean"good" in the meaning of "humane and friendly", then this is violating Quran'S rules of how to deal with infidels ( namely intolerant, discriminatory, and killing them or subjugating them, and bring islam by force to all world: reflected by hiostory: Islam almost always has been spread by the use of violance and force only). but if he is violating the Quran so massively, why do you call him a Muslim then (or why does he wish to be seen as one, then)? And if a Muslim is followng the Quranic rules on how to deal with infidels (namels treating them as non-equals or slaves), this would be following Muhammad's rules (therefor "good muslim"), but violating Western standards ("bad Muslim").

I don't see good and bad Muslims. I see Muslims that are in conformity with the Quran, and Muslims that contradict themselves.

And in the main I see and focus on (and argue about) the ideology of Islam anyway, not single people.
Look at the Old Testament -- we are supposed to stone our children if they do not obey us. No one (well, maybe a few people, I really don't know) follows this code. I see this as a direct correlation to the Qu'ran. Or is the section on killing/discriminating against "infidels" a main theme of the Qu'ran? If it really is one of the main themes of Islam, then I guess my friends would be violating the Qu'ran and they are "contradictory" Muslims as you say. But then again, so would the other 500,000,000 Muslims who don't use or condone violence to further their religious goals.

*Edit:* I got the idea that the thread topic is about the PEOPLE who follow Islam, not the ideology.
I brought this up once but I was told that the Old Testament doesn't matter in Christianity. I find this odd because on Sunday mornings our scripture readings seem to cite the OT as frequently as the NT :-?

Letum 06-06-07 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fatty
I brought this up once but I was told that the Old Testament doesn't matter in Christianity. I find this odd because on Sunday mornings our scripture readings seem to cite the OT as frequently as the NT :-?
The old testement is held to be true by Christianity, but some parts are replaced.


Edited quotes for space.

Rose 06-06-07 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fatty
I brought this up once but I was told that the Old Testament doesn't matter in Christianity. I find this odd because on Sunday mornings our scripture readings seem to cite the OT as frequently as the NT :-?
I was referring to Christianity and/or Judaism. Doesn't really matter which, I was just using it as an example of not following holy scripture word-for-word. That has happened to me sometimes though, fatty.

Tchocky 06-06-07 07:45 PM
Cheers, Letum (I was serious to boot :))

@ original post - another waste-gate-answer-the-question-please thread :p

robbo180265 06-06-07 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by fatty
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Originally Posted by Rose
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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by Rose
All I am saying is that not all Muslims are calling for death to the infidel. There are good ones. There are bad ones.
To stick to your language - but the Quran calls for the death to the infidels - or their subjugation and then discrimination (which in history often led to exploitation: see Spain).

Good muslims you said. how do you define that? Is a good Muslim following or violating the Quran? If you mean"good" in the meaning of "humane and friendly", then this is violating Quran'S rules of how to deal with infidels ( namely intolerant, discriminatory, and killing them or subjugating them, and bring islam by force to all world: reflected by hiostory: Islam almost always has been spread by the use of violance and force only). but if he is violating the Quran so massively, why do you call him a Muslim then (or why does he wish to be seen as one, then)? And if a Muslim is followng the Quranic rules on how to deal with infidels (namels treating them as non-equals or slaves), this would be following Muhammad's rules (therefor "good muslim"), but violating Western standards ("bad Muslim").

I don't see good and bad Muslims. I see Muslims that are in conformity with the Quran, and Muslims that contradict themselves.

And in the main I see and focus on (and argue about) the ideology of Islam anyway, not single people.
Look at the Old Testament -- we are supposed to stone our children if they do not obey us. No one (well, maybe a few people, I really don't know) follows this code. I see this as a direct correlation to the Qu'ran. Or is the section on killing/discriminating against "infidels" a main theme of the Qu'ran? If it really is one of the main themes of Islam, then I guess my friends would be violating the Qu'ran and they are "contradictory" Muslims as you say. But then again, so would the other 500,000,000 Muslims who don't use or condone violence to further their religious goals.

*Edit:* I got the idea that the thread topic is about the PEOPLE who follow Islam, not the ideology.
I brought this up once but I was told that the Old Testament doesn't matter in Christianity. I find this odd because on Sunday mornings our scripture readings seem to cite the OT as frequently as the NT :-?
The old testement is held to be true by Christianity, but some parts are replaced.
I said this in another topic - It's just a book, it's how we interpret it that causes all the problems.

But what really annoys me(still) is the thought that every Muslim is some kind of bomb making fanatic. I just don't understand people who think like that - sorry

06-06-07 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Cheers, Letum (I was serious to boot :))

@ original post - another waste-gate-answer-the-question-please thread :p
You are right Tchocky. They lost the target.

Come and persecute me for my opinion. I love it! I think I have become an attention whore.

I'm the Paris Hilton of SubSim.

Letum 06-06-07 07:53 PM
Heres a riddle for you all.
Tiny prize for anyone who can find it's meaning. :know:


Q: Why is wastegate a great name?
A: It is a sweet tag.

Rose 06-06-07 08:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastegate

Seriously... what is the significance of that tag? :lol:

You are a valve trying to divert gases away from a turbine engine? Any hidden/metaphorical meanings in there?

Tchocky 06-06-07 08:04 PM
Look at the answer carefully, Rose

06-06-07 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastegate

Seriously... what is the significance of that tag? :lol:

You are a valve trying to divert gases away from a turbine engine? Any hidden/metaphorical meanings in there?

The primary function of the wastegate is to stabilize pressure in turbocharger systems, to protect the engine and the turbocharger.


And to be the subject of attacks. I love you guys!!!!!!!!

Rose 06-06-07 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by waste gate
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastegate

Seriously... what is the significance of that tag? :lol:

You are a valve trying to divert gases away from a turbine engine? Any hidden/metaphorical meanings in there?

The primary function of the wastegate is to stabilize pressure in turbocharger systems, to protect the engine and the turbocharger.


And to be the subject of attacks. I love you guys!!!!!!!!
Wow, I can't read. Btw, I'm extremely jealous of you Wastegate -- you live next to the best skiing in the world. Lucky s.o.b.

Now what were we talking about again?


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