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bradclark1 05-31-07 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Don't make me go dig up comments from Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards, Al Gore, Chuck Schumer, etc. about how he was a clear and present danger. Not to mention, I think you may want to go read the cease fire agreement and UN resolutions from GW1 which gave invasion and removal of Saddam as a resort for noncompliance. They may have had motivations to get rid of Saddam, but they were certainly within their right to do so according to the first cease fire agreement. And I say good riddance to Saddam.

If you are talking about the intelligence that this administration gave, we've all heard enough that pressure was brought to bear on the reports. The difference between good and bad is that if you take your country to war you better be right. Excuses has a range of zero. You have to be right.
President Clinton in 1998 said Iraq was a clear and present danger to the middle east and American "interests", not America.

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Not to mention, I think you may want to go read the cease fire agreement and UN resolutions from GW1 which gave invasion and removal of Saddam as a resort for noncompliance.
Was it the UN or US that attacked?

Sea Demon 05-31-07 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
If you are talking about the intelligence that this administration gave, we've all heard enough that pressure was brought to bear on the reports. The difference between good and bad is that if you take your country to war you better be right. Excuses has a range of zero. You have to be right.
President Clinton in 1998 said Iraq was a clear and present danger to the middle east and American "interests", not America.

Talk about splitting hairs....anyway....

http://brentroos.com/2006/05/09/what...out-iraqs-wmd/

Bush was right in taking us to war. The WMD claims were wrong, but there was still the cease fire agreements from GW1. And many Democrats agreed about the threat assessments. Now they cowardly turn the other direction and claim they never supported the war, and never made these claims. I just wish Bush would conduct the endgame properly.

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Was it the UN or US that attacked?
Well obviously the UN has no teeth. But this just proves the uselessness of the UN. The U.S. itself should have set the surrender terms and compliance with Iraq directly after GW1 and treated the UN as the irrelevant body that it is. Perhaps part of that unconditional surrender should have been Saddam either stepping down or we continue on to Baghdad.

bradclark1 05-31-07 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
If you are talking about the intelligence that this administration gave, we've all heard enough that pressure was brought to bear on the reports. The difference between good and bad is that if you take your country to war you better be right. Excuses has a range of zero. You have to be right.
President Clinton in 1998 said Iraq was a clear and present danger to the middle east and American "interests", not America.

Talk about splitting hairs....anyway....

http://brentroos.com/2006/05/09/what...out-iraqs-wmd/

Bush was right in taking us to war. The WMD claims were wrong, but there was still the cease fire agreements from GW1. And many Democrats agreed about the threat assessments. Now they cowardly turn the other direction and claim they never supported the war, and never made these claims. I just wish Bush would conduct the endgame properly.

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Was it the UN or US that attacked?
Well obviously the UN has no teeth. But this just proves the uselessness of the UN. The U.S. itself should have set the surrender terms and compliance with Iraq directly after GW1 and treated the UN as the irrelevant body that it is. Perhaps part of that unconditional surrender should have been Saddam either stepping down or we continue on to Baghdad.

Yeah. Any old reason will do. What was it, we went through three or four different reasons?
The democrats supported the war because they believed the erroneous information this administration was putting out. That point even isn't worth arguing about anymore.
Yes the UN is spineless but who are we to use them as an excuse to invade a sovereign nation. (even if we dislike the leader)
My whole problem with this administration is that they did a half ass-ed job in Afghanistan, didn't accomplish the main reason for invading in the first place and left a token division behind that because of the regions size were incapable of doing anything in their rush to get to Saddam. While doing this they fire those who don't agree with their invade on the cheap doctrine then dump the Iraqi army so that 400,000 possible insurgents sitting around with no means of support. How utterly stupid is that? And all this from two fellow Americans who did whatever they had to do to stay out of harms way during Vietnam. Two warriors whose philosophy is "send anyone but me". Afghanistan was a had too. Iraq was not.
Forgive the rant but thats my feelings.

Sea Demon 05-31-07 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
Yeah. Any old reason will do. What was it, we went through three or four different reasons?
The democrats supported the war because they believed the erroneous information this administration was putting out. That point even isn't worth arguing about anymore.
Yes the UN is spineless but who are we to use them as an excuse to invade a sovereign nation. (even if we dislike the leader)
My whole problem with this administration is that they did a half ass-ed job in Afghanistan, didn't accomplish the main reason for invading in the first place and left a token division behind that because of the regions size were incapable of doing anything in their rush to get to Saddam. While doing this they fire those who don't agree with their invade on the cheap doctrine then dump the Iraqi army so that 400,000 possible insurgents sitting around with no means of support. How utterly stupid is that? And all this from two fellow Americans who did whatever they had to do to stay out of harms way during Vietnam. Two warriors whose philosophy is "send anyone but me". Afghanistan was a had too. Iraq was not.
Forgive the rant but thats my feelings.

No reason to apologize for ranting. But the pre-war intelligence came largely from the Clinton Administration. That administration called Saddam a threat that was pursuing WMD and ignoring the cease fire agreements. History doesn't begin with Bush here. The Bush government was actually following the Clinton administration policy regarding Iraq. But if you're a Democrat, it seems the truth inconveniently gets in the way of blaming Bush for everything. Saddam, terrorism, the cease fire agreements, the GW1 UN resolutions, and the U.S. government threat assessments and WMD intelligence all came before G.W. Bush.

And if we can't enforce UN resolutions, why the hell do we even bother with the UN? It's obvious that UN resolutions are worthless edicts. Even Saddam knew that the UN was a fools paradise. Why is it that the Democrats told us we needed to go to the UN for some type of permission from them to strike? The UN is utterly useless. I agree with you on this point. We should have handled the end of GW1 ourselves and told everybody else to stuff it. That way, their own resolution is no excuse. Because it would effectively be a non-player like it truly is.

Bush is not handling the war correctly. That is not in dispute. And he is to blame for not putting the right amount of people on the ground, and unleashing them to do the job as viciously as it needs to be done. But it would help if the Democrats weren't giving aid and comfort to our enemies by calling this war "unwinnable". And it would also help if people like Harry Reid weren't saying we already lost despite soldiers being actively deployed in theater. Bush is handling the war like a buffoon. The Democrat party is handling the war like traitors.


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