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mookiemookie 04-27-07 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Subsim Admin
If SH4 does not sell well, there will be no SH5, guaranteed. Ubisoft will not look at the poor sales and draw the conclusion "We better make sure SH5 does is less buggy".

Quoted for truth.

Those who want to "teach Ubi a lesson"...go right ahead. And take my hobby right down along with it. :cry:

AVGWarhawk 04-27-07 07:23 PM

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PS. I don't have a resume posted, but you can see the results of my software on national TV on Saturday and Sunday afternoons from early Spring to late Fall. :)
Free plug for the software and can spirt off anything I want. Excellent!

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Funny how a dev bashing a whole community of gamers, a genre of games and a game company in particular is perfectly fine, but how saying anything bad about SH4 and UBI is not. Take a good long look at post #1 and tell me that wasn't a whine. The double standards in this forum are troubling.

Everyone is allowed to say their piece. Everyone is allowed to whine. Simply state your case and leave it at that. No need to run down each thread posting banterings and bashings on every reply they can.

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I do support the SH and I bought a copy. Two copies actually because UBI's download site didn't work and they lost my order (not without taking my money though). However, I am not going to play nice and make UBI think I'm fine with their business practices. There's more than enough sheep in this world who will roll over and take everything the powerful companies throw at them.
Glad you supported them. You also bought the game in "Good Faith". Did not work out like you had hoped. Therefore, post your complaint and move on or attempt to work with the game and wait for a patch. UBI has channels to vent your frustrations. They have a forum. They have customer service. You have a receipt. Please ask them to correct your problem you are having with the game. In reality, this forum are for those that are making the game work and are enjoying it as best they can. Quite frankly, why bother posting a complaint here at Subsim at all? The game was not developed here. If I buy a Chevy that does not run I do not go to Ford with a complaint about my Chevy.

Therefore, muddling through the threads with complaints gets extremely tiresome not only for me but for others who just want some help with the game. Not to hard to understand. Members here are not posting for entertainment value for others who wish to bash not only the game but forum members as well. This is not the ultimate cage match. It is a forum about subsims. With all due respect for you and the others who venture here, please bring help, suggestions or friendship with your posts. Bring your complaints or issues to UBI. Like I said, they have customer support. Whether that support is good or bad....I do not want to hear about it.

Greentimbers 04-27-07 07:42 PM

I just want to say to the developers that I have enjoyed both SH III and SH WOTP
and I thank them for all of their efforts.:up:

sunvalleyslim 04-27-07 07:52 PM

Right on WarHawk.:up:.:up:..:up:.:up:

swash 04-27-07 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr Karl
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Originally Posted by swash
Until a game is harder to deal with than the installation he11 I went through with Windows 95, I'll work with it:rotfl:

You're running SH4 on Windows95™??? How? and Wow!

I wish I could run this game on 98SE!!!!

:yep:

No, I have Windows XP Pro now. But back when Win95 came out, it was a nightmare. 2 hours on the phone with Microsoft formatting and rebooting and reinstalling everything only for them to just blame my hardware. I called the hardware people and they blamed Microsoft. I was stuck between a rock and a hardplace:damn:

If the OP is part of the Dev team, then I can feel his pain. The short time they had to release the game placed them between a rock and a hard place. They were told to release it and they did. Complaining about it isn't going to get it fixed any faster.

I love ww2 sub sims and have bought everyone that has came out over the past 2 decades. I still have fond memories of Silent Service on my C64 back then;)

I guess I have a niche in the niche. I like the Pacific theater more than the Atlantic, but that's just my personal preference.

So despite the problems and complaining, I hope UBI, the Devs and the Modders keep steaming full speed ahead to make SH4 the best it can be:up:

John Channing 04-27-07 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by swash
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Originally Posted by Herr Karl
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Originally Posted by swash
Until a game is harder to deal with than the installation he11 I went through with Windows 95, I'll work with it:rotfl:

You're running SH4 on Windows95™??? How? and Wow!

I wish I could run this game on 98SE!!!!

:yep:

No, I have Windows XP Pro now. But back when Win95 came out, it was a nightmare. 2 hours on the phone with Microsoft formatting and rebooting and reinstalling everything only for them to just blame my hardware. I called the hardware people and they blamed Microsoft. I was stuck between a rock and a hardplace:damn:

If the OP is part of the Dev team, then I can feel his pain. The short time they had to release the game placed them between a rock and a hard place. They were told to release it and they did. Complaining about it isn't going to get it fixed any faster.

I love ww2 sub sims and have bought everyone that has came out over the past 2 decades. I still have fond memories of Silent Service on my C64 back then;)

I guess I have a niche in the niche. I like the Pacific theater more than the Atlantic, but that's just my personal preference.

So despite the problems and complaining, I hope UBI, the Devs and the Modders keep steaming full speed ahead to make SH4 the best it can be:up:

No if about it.

He is.

JCC

TDK1044 04-27-07 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman999
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In the end "He who has the money calls the tune". That would be Ubisoft.
Well, no, that would be us.

I'll qualify the statement then. "He who puts up the massive development costs calls the tune."

THE_MASK 04-27-07 11:46 PM

Well if you are a dev then all i can say is
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

GnarPow 04-28-07 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by swash
I love ww2 sub sims and have bought everyone that has came out over the past 2 decades. I still have fond memories of Silent Service on my C64 back then;)

WOOT for C64, i used to love mine

C64 FTW!

jdski 04-28-07 07:29 AM

I love this sim and all of the SH series. I hope a big zit grows on the nose of those who have nothing good to say about it.

Front Runner 04-28-07 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Bruno
it's heartbreaking to watch some goofy thing sell 10x more copies than you do. It sucks, it's frustrating and it's not fair. But it wouldn't hurt so much if you didn't care, and as long as you care and as long as it keeps paying the bills then what the hell. What else are you going to do?

Yeah, look how many copies "Achy Breaky Heart" sold.:-?

My bottom line is that I support SH4 and the developers. I put my money where my mouth is by buying the game. I actually have bought three copies. The Super Collectors version, the UK Collectors version and the US Amazon.com version.
I like to collect "Collectors sets" of games, and I put them on the shelf. I don't feel bad about the money I've spent to support the SH4 and subsim genre. There are not a lot of gamers who think it's fun to spend a few hours of game time at 1X positioning your sub perfectly for a torpedo attack, which may result in a miss, or a dud, a premature and a prolonged depth charge attack.

There have been some late nights when I've finally managed to break contact with the DD's, surfaced to charge batteries, (and save game) and looked at the clock and it's 4am and I have to get up at 6am to go to work. That kind of gaming (simming) only appeals to a limited group of gamers.

I compare it to Flight Simulator. I have been "playing" flight simulator by "pretending" that I am an airline captain and flying a scheduled hop from L.A. to N.Y. including all of the flight planning, fuel planning, pre-flight, ATC clearances etc. Somewhere over New Mexico, I am baby sitting the autopilot by clicking here, clicking there, and my son walks in the room and says "having fun, are we? Looks exciting." laughs, turns around and leaves.

I'm not the kind of person who likes to play first person shooters, I like slow, thoughtful, games that require and demand patience to be played properly.

SH4 is that kind of game for me.

TheBrauerHour 04-28-07 09:29 AM

I played Silent Service and loved it. I bought SHIII when it first hit the shelves and loved it. I bought SH4, and then registered on these forums because I felt that I might actually post something about how I like this game too. I had been reading these forums since I bought SH3, and know the Subsim community is awesome.

Now some of these new people we have here, which some subsim members may be wary of, might be my friends from COD2. Please give them time (some may be 13, lol, but most of us are quite a bit older). They just need to be rehabilitated from the noob shooters, lol. They are a whiny bunch, but their money went toward this game too. A friend I introduced to SH3 and I made a SH4 "unit" and brought over a bunch of players from COD2 realism units. I have recruited some old friends from WWIIOL as well. We are a somewhat small group, but I know I have personally gotten 8 other people so far to buy SH4. Several others are waiting till payday to purchase it, or need computer upgrades.

I have chosen to promote this game, bugs and all. Does the fact that most of my torps miss on manual TDC make me scream for patches? No, but I will be glad when that stopwatch gadget gets fixed so I can tell speed. Till then, I will be sitting on my teamspeak having an awesome time with my growing group of SH4 players.

So to the devs: Rock on!!!! :rock:
To Subsim: Rock on even harder!!! :rock: :rock: :rock:

maerean_m 04-28-07 02:01 PM

It's the most rewarding thing to find out that there are people that enjoy the game :sunny:. Happy hunting!

Herr Karl 04-28-07 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Front Runner
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Originally Posted by Scott Bruno
it's heartbreaking to watch some goofy thing sell 10x more copies than you do. It sucks, it's frustrating and it's not fair. But it wouldn't hurt so much if you didn't care, and as long as you care and as long as it keeps paying the bills then what the hell. What else are you going to do?

Yeah, look how many copies "Achy Breaky Heart" sold.:-?

My bottom line is that I support SH4 and the developers. I put my money where my mouth is by buying the game. I actually have bought three copies. The Super Collectors version, the UK Collectors version and the US Amazon.com version.
I like to collect "Collectors sets" of games, and I put them on the shelf. I don't feel bad about the money I've spent to support the SH4 and subsim genre. There are not a lot of gamers who think it's fun to spend a few hours of game time at 1X positioning your sub perfectly for a torpedo attack, which may result in a miss, or a dud, a premature and a prolonged depth charge attack.

There have been some late nights when I've finally managed to break contact with the DD's, surfaced to charge batteries, (and save game) and looked at the clock and it's 4am and I have to get up at 6am to go to work. That kind of gaming (simming) only appeals to a limited group of gamers.

I compare it to Flight Simulator. I have been "playing" flight simulator by "pretending" that I am an airline captain and flying a scheduled hop from L.A. to N.Y. including all of the flight planning, fuel planning, pre-flight, ATC clearances etc. Somewhere over New Mexico, I am baby sitting the autopilot by clicking here, clicking there, and my son walks in the room and says "having fun, are we? Looks exciting." laughs, turns around and leaves.

I'm not the kind of person who likes to play first person shooters, I like slow, thoughtful, games that require and demand patience to be played properly.

SH4 is that kind of game for me.

Excellent summation!! :up:

John Channing 04-28-07 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by maerean_m
It's the most rewarding thing to find out that there are people that enjoy the game :sunny:. Happy hunting!

Enjoy does not begin to describe it.

I have discovered a Task Force in the Celebs Sea that is laying to to ride out a storm. I radioed in the contact report and got a reply that this Task Force has a Troop Transport in it that is carrying re-enforcements for the Japanese Landings in the Philipines. I have been instructed to sink the transport at all costs. Right now I am resting the crew, charging the batteries and getting the torpedos ready. As soon as night falls I will be moving back in, on the surface, to collect the transport.

It doesn't get much better than this.


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