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tater 04-20-07 11:59 AM

The campaign layers are just awful thoguh, beery. They have jap merchants sailing to ports that belong to the allies, important places totally AWOL (Truk, for example). Really is a mess.

At a minimal level, I think that for the "RFB" type experience a few things need to be addressed at mimimum.

1. The major combatants need to be FAR more limited. CVs and BBs in other words. Seeing any of them should be special. Random TFs that include them need the oilers expunged and their speeds raised to 15-16 knots---contact of a TF should be frustrating sometimes, "We spotted Yamato, but were not positioned to attack. Made contact report."

2. The combatants most likely to be seen by players need to be more realistic---DDs and below. Fewer of them in the company of merchants, particularly early in the war. Fleet DDs on escort duty should have the same skill level they have guarding a CV---they are the same ships and crews, after all.

3. reduce the contact report stuff for the group properties. The current mod reducign the range that you get radioed data is a good start, but the reality is that the chances of every single convoy, TF, etc making a report in the first place are WAY too high, IMO.

SgtWalt65 04-20-07 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
I spotted it once on my way back to base, had just use up all torpedoes, and i certainly wasn't going to take it on with the deckgun (although that thought did enter my mind :rotfl: ) so all i could do is watch it sail pass. And what a huge scary beast it is!

This ship would probably take 6 or more torpedos:hmm:

6 is right, sunk it last night at about 2am CST ( real life time that is ). Nice spread to, from the bow to the stern. The 1st torpedo hit just forward of the No. 1 Turret and last torpedo hit just under the float planes at the stern. She sank in under a minute and I am at full realism. She just did a fast roll and then went down by the bow. Man that thing has a lot of life rafts. I almost didn't get away, took a lot of damage and had to limp back to Pearl.

Bilge_Rat 04-20-07 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beery
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Originally Posted by LobsterBoy
If you're going to work on the random appearance of ships, don't forget the US as well. I left Pearl on a patrol and saw a US task force with 2 New Mexico and 2 North Carolina battleships (with escorts, no carriers).

On Dec. 17th 1941 !!!!!!

It seemed they were on their way to the Marshalls.

What are the most important ships to check dates in service for? Just battleships? Battleships & carriers? Cruisers? What ship types will be immediately obviously wrong to the player who knows his stuff? I'd like to fix some of these issues but I'm trying to keep RFB as compact as possible so I really don't want to have to address the entire fleets of all nations.


Not having more info, it is hard to comment, but battleships and carriers would be the place to start.

There should be a pretty low chance to run into a IJN carrier TF since they only went out on particular operations, for example AFAIR:

-PH operation nov-dec 41 (6 CV)
-wake op - dec. 41 (2 CV)
-Dutch Indies - jan-mar. 42 ( 2- 4 CV intermittent)
-Ceylon - april 42 (6 CV)
-Coral Sea - may 42 (2 CV)
-Midway - june 42 (4 CV)
-Guadalcanal - aug-nov 42 (2 cv intermittent)

from nov 42 to june 44 - IJN CVs are mostly brought back to japan for training of new air groups, sometimes based at Truk.

-late 43? - Truk is evacuated due to increasing allied air attacks. Combined fleet is moved west. The Tawi Tawi anchorage in the Phillipines was used. The fleet was also based in Singapore to be closer to fuel supplies, but I think that was only from early 44 to nov. 44

-marianas - june 44 - (6 CVs?)
-Leyte Gulf - Oct. 44 - ( 4 CVs?)

After nov - dec. 44, all CVs would have been in Japan.

BBs would basically accompany the carriers either as direct support or in separate accompanying TFs.

BBs operated on their own in the Dutch Indies dec 41- mar. 42, usually as distant support. They carried out a number of night bombardment missions on Guadalcanal in sept-nov. 42.

Apart from those operations you would usually only run into a CV or BB in a TF shuttling between the ports, japan - truk - Tawi Tawi - Singapore;

so sightings were few and far between.

CAs and CLs were different since they were more the workhorse of the IJN.

sqk7744 04-20-07 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Beery
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Originally Posted by LobsterBoy
If you're going to work on the random appearance of ships, don't forget the US as well. I left Pearl on a patrol and saw a US task force with 2 New Mexico and 2 North Carolina battleships (with escorts, no carriers).

On Dec. 17th 1941 !!!!!!

It seemed they were on their way to the Marshalls.

What are the most important ships to check dates in service for? Just battleships? Battleships & carriers? Cruisers? What ship types will be immediately obviously wrong to the player who knows his stuff? I'd like to fix some of these issues but I'm trying to keep RFB as compact as possible so I really don't want to have to address the entire fleets of all nations.

Thanks for looking into this Beery! :up:

Kataki 04-21-07 08:33 PM

I sunk 2 yamato class battleships with 80% realism (only external camera left on) in a task force that consisted of 3 yamatos, 2 other BBs, several light cruisers and god knows how many destroyers. This was at night and in a massive storm, so all ships that tried to drop dc on me just overturned, which is another complaint in itself.

Then today I was returning to peral harbor and ran into a friendly task force with battleships and 3 carriers... when I got to midway for a refuel I noticed more battleships and two carriers. I was under the impression that america only had 4 carriers period and almost all of our battleships, but its been so long since Ive actually looked into that type of stuff, so Im probably wrong.

As far as checking the info beery Id just check for the larger ships of america and japan :P BBs and Carriers

tater 04-21-07 08:58 PM

Before the Battle of Midway, you should not have even seen 1 Yamato outside the Inland Sea, much less her unfinished sister (not fitted out til the end of September, '42) and the imaginary 3d Yamato, lol.

The US is equally FUBAR, particularly early war. Later there were so many CVs and CVEs that seeing them all over wouldn't be nearly as jarring.

Hartmann 04-22-07 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Beery
The thing is, Yamato should be that one ship that makes the player think "Oh my God! The Yamato!". It should be rare enough to get a real response out of the player. When it becomes as frequent a sight as a piece of junk mail it loses a whole lot of its impact. I remember in the original Silent Hunter, I saw the Yamato once in all the time I played the game and as I lined up to take my shot at her I was shaking and sweating - that was a huge deal. Seeing it multiple times in every single career makes it just another big ship. This is why it's necessary to make it rare - not just for the sake of realism, but because a rare Yamato makes the game far more fun.

yes i´m agree.

in sh1 i only see and sunk the yamato one time in two full careers 1942-1945 :yep: , but it makes it a very special experience.:roll:

i found it one night, zigzaging with a destroyers scort, and in one of this maneuvers it was at 90º , so i can launch 6 torpedoes and turn for another 4.

i think that yamato there is only one, like biskmark .

tater 04-22-07 01:54 AM

Actually, just like Bismark, Yamato had a sister ship. (Tirpitz and Musashi respectively.

joea 04-22-07 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hartmann
i think that yamato there is only one, like biskmark .

As Tater said:
Tirpitz

http://www.kbismarck.com/tirpitz.html

Musashi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...leship_Musashi

http://www.combinedfleet.com/musashi.htm

Not as famous as their sisters.


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