It is very difficult to turn your mind from fright and flight to fight. Perhaps it is even impossible in the few seconds it takes to reload.

I think this is a case of them not clearly seeing the opportunity to to take the offensive, rather than cowardice.

Totally agree.

Have you guys ever thought that those students acted like they did because nobody ever told them how they should react in that situation? That nobody ever showed then how a gun works so they could recognize the opportunity when it presented itself?

We do see that the students learned to barracade themselves in their classroom. That might be pure intuition but it could just as likely be from discussions they've had in previous classes about previous shootings. Perhaps fighting back should also be talked about, like we're doing here, so when this happens again people don't have to figure the proper response out on their own.

I'm not sure it would be propper to tell students that they are expected to charge down a gunman.

And what if some of those you taught become gunmen themselves?

I didn't say "expected", although I guess "should" is close enough. However at this point that option isn't even being introduced to people and therefore a single killer can get away with lining up 30 students and executing them one by one.

How proper is that?

This is pretty well said. Your last point made me think about another of our popular "hollywood myths" here at SUBSIM that seems to be prevailing: the heroes always win.

I can see what the students should have done but unlike them, I have never been shot at or seen anyone violently die, so I am hardly in a position to make judgments like the OP. I am however sure the experience they just lived through is penance enough for anything they could have done but failed to. That is, of course, if they could have done anything at all.

BTW, as it seems nobody has mentioned this yet, maybe I am wrong, but do you really need to load a magazine to capacity before you can start using it? I fail to really see what is to stop the gunman from stopping halfway and reloading if a pair of kids start to charge him from across the room...

Did you know the breaking point between standing their numb thinking ''what is happening , why is this happening?' why why why? to switcht those thoughts to ''I,m going to charge that sonnofabitch'' and get into action is really a big step for a human mind. or at least we think that is because its unnusual for the unprepared.

I guess the guys where in a state of Shock and couldnt move a finger, cant blame them. I would be doing the same thing if something that terrible is happening in front of my eyes


the same as if your on the edge of a Cliff going for a bungee jump
you have to make that ONE step to do it. but it takes Balls to do it.

On the one hand I agree with the thought that trying to do something is better than standing around hoping you aren't next. On the other I also agree that a typical student isn't going to have the experience to make that kind of decision. I don't fault them for not knowing what to do, and I don't fault them for not doing it.

Or bombers? Or activists? Or politicians? Or the President?

I'm sorry, but that's one of the silliest hypotheticals I've ever read.

"Asian mass murderer" .. "Perfectly Urban Social Sissy Youth's" .. U-533, your thread is pissing me off ..

:down:

Well I may make people mad ... but

I will cast the first stone : sin or no sin


This Asian Mass Murderer was whacked out from the start...

2 times arrested for stalking two different women (Charges dropped because he was an alien)

His own professors wanted him out ( but they were told we can't do that it would not be HERE IT IS ... WAIT FOR IT.... "POLICTICALY CORRECT")

His parents sent word he should be sent back home because he has suicidal tendencies

He also turned in essays stating what his intentions were and how he would do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So you wanna get mad at me?

Me of all people to be mad at?

Please...


Go ahead... no skin off my nose...

But look in the mirror and ask yourself if you dare to confront yourself

"Will my "Political Correctness" stop such things as this happening again?"

If you answer yes ... well good luck to ya...



P.S.
I did some checking with people who were there It took the ASIAN MASS MURDERER almost 3 minutes to reload one Magazine

so for 3 minutes he was busy stuffing rounds into his weapons Mag

3 minutes

2 males

Oh BTW it was more than 2 males according to sources it just seems these two wanted special attention... they have it...

First of all after the fact analysis of the situation leads to a different level of awareness than you can have in the moment. Secondly someone above said "why couldn't he just stop halfway through reloading and reload the magazine?". Thirdly, as I said before, how do those two "males" know that he doesn't have another gun and that he isn't just being smart and reloading his gun so that he doesn't get caught without one?

You take the situation out of context, take the collected facts, and then replay it in your head and you get a different experience from theirs. You weren't there, you didn't watch him reload. They didn't get to watch 18 hours of news reports about what happened and boil down the information into minute detail on a message board and talk about how they would so have been the heroes.

Until you live out their experience and do it differently you have no base from which to make such declarations. I don't care if you own a gun, or go to a shooting range, or want to be a Marine. Until you save the day you can't be so certain.

I was reading "Jarhead" recently, and in the book he wets his pants every time they come under fire, not just once like in the movie.

You have no idea what you would do if you were in that situation, unless you have been in it.

It's easy to say you would be a big tough guy.

Internet courage is something huh?

The guy had clips of preloaded ammo in a vest he wore. Don't know where you get this BS that he sat there and hand loaded a empty clip.