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Godboo 04-17-07 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by August
In spite of what the media is saying the VT killings are not the biggest school massacre in US history:

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The Bath School disaster attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of is the name given to not one (as the name implies) but three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth gradesmass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

From what I've been hearing the media is saying that this is deadliest mass SHOOTING in US History.

August 04-17-07 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Godboo
From what I've been hearing the media is saying that this is deadliest mass SHOOTING in US History.

Then that would be wrong as well:

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On Sept. 11, 1857, in a meadow in southwestern Utah, a militia of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, attacked a wagon train of Arkansas families bound for California. After a five-day siege, the militia persuaded the families to surrender under a flag of truce and a pledge of safe passage. Then, in the worst butchery of white pioneers by other white pioneers in the entire colonization of America, approximately 140 men, women and children were slaughtered.

Rilder 04-17-07 02:06 PM

Schools these days are just crap imho, if you aren't in the "Popular" croud your pretty much F#$Ked, glad I got out of there and went into "Online Highschool" or whatever... One time some A-hole tripped me and I landed straight on my front teeth, broke them both... we tried to go after the kids parents for money but it was more trouble then it was worth, the kids parents didn't do ****. Between these half-arsed kids and "In-croud" mentality, coupled with stress I'm actually surprised there aren't more shootings. But this is all in my experiances, you have no idea how much crap I got for not being a Christian.

August 04-17-07 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilder
Schools these days are just crap imho, if you aren't in the "Popular" croud your pretty much F#$Ked,

How exactly are you "F#$Ked"? Are you prevented from attending school or getting good grades? Seriously, is being part of a clique all that important?

PeriscopeDepth 04-17-07 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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On Sept. 11, 1857, in a meadow in southwestern Utah, a militia of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, attacked a wagon train of Arkansas families bound for California. After a five-day siege, the militia persuaded the families to surrender under a flag of truce and a pledge of safe passage. Then, in the worst butchery of white pioneers by other white pioneers in the entire colonization of America, approximately 140 men, women and children were slaughtered.

Interesting you mention that, August. I just read about this in a book I'm reading. I guess if you really want to be correct you'd have to say the Virgina Tech shooting is the worst attack by a single gun man in US history?

PD

August 04-17-07 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
Interesting you mention that, August. I just read about this in a book I'm reading. I guess if you really want to be correct you'd have to say the Virgina Tech shooting is the worst attack by a single gun man in US history?

PD

Assuming it was indeed a single gunman then yes.

Kapitan_Phillips 04-17-07 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Rilder
Schools these days are just crap imho, if you aren't in the "Popular" croud your pretty much F#$Ked,

How exactly are you "F#$Ked"? Are you prevented from attending school or getting good grades? Seriously, is being part of a clique all that important?


Totally agree. I dont think this can be classed as a clique motivated attack. If so, I'm pretty "F#$Ked" as you put it, when I go study at Gordon College in Barnesville.

Rockstar 04-17-07 06:37 PM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007...ionalnews_.htm

Well, apparently, according to the New York Post he had written in red ink on one of his arms, the words “Ismail Ax” But what does this mean? The New York Post explores the question:

The reference may be to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham, where God commands the patriarch to sacrifice his own son. Abraham begins to comply, but God intervenes at the last moment to save the boy. In the Jewish and Christian traditions, the son is Isaac, father of the Jewish people; in Islam, it is his brother, Ismail (Ishmael in Hebrew). Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax. A more obscure reference may be to a passage in the Koran referring to Abraham’s destruction of pagan idols; in some accounts, he uses an ax to do so.

First, as stated above, Muslims believe that they are the spiritual descendants of Abraham’s son Ishmael (or Ismail in Arabic) and not Issac. Issac is the father of, eh emm… the Jews. Muslims believe that it was Ishmael that Abraham was going to sacrifice and not Issac. So Muslims believe that they adhere to the faith of Abraham through Ishmael. And second, according to Islamic tradition, Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) in his early days of rejecting idolatry and paganism literally smashed the idols of his people with an ax. This was the definitive bridge burning event of Abraham’s early life. From that day forward, he was, according to Muslim belief, a Hanif - a worshipper of the One God. The story of Abraham’s smashing the idols with an ax may be read for instance at Islamicity here.

Ibrahim confronts his people and rejects their idols

He left his father after he lost hope to convert him to the right path, and directed his efforts towards the people of the town, but they rejected his call and threatened him. By Allah, he said, I shall plot a plan to destroy their idols. He knew that a big celebration was coming soon, where everybody would leave town for a big feast on the riverbank. After making sure that nobody was left in town, Ibrahim went towards the temple armed with an ax. Statues of all shapes and sizes were sitting there adorned with decorations. Plates of food were offered to them, but the food was untouched. “Well, why don’t you eat? The food is getting cold.” He said to the statues, joking; then with his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them. He hung the ax around its neck and left.

Or perhaps we are just jumping to conclusions here. Maybe Cho simply was trying to remind himself to buy an ax for his friend Ismail. So the killer had a clearly Islamic reference on his arm at the time of the murders. Is this enough to draw any conclusions? I would say not quite. But it needs to be discussed. There is no question that it strongly suggests that Cho had come under some Muslim influence. Did Cho Seung-Hui see himself as the ax of Ishmael? Something like this must be the case, otherwise he simply wouldn’t have written it on his arm before his rampage.

The New York Post article also provides us with evidence that Cho lived in a Muslim neighborhood:

Cho’s family lived in a two-story townhouse in Centreville, where neighbor Abdul Shash said the gunman played basketball and wouldn’t respond if someone greeted him. He was “very quiet, always by himself,” said Shash.

For now, we’ll just have to wait and see what else comes out.

Tchocky 04-17-07 06:44 PM

Link? here's a boing Boing post on the phrase http://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/17...s_shootin.html


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The New York Post article also provides us with evidence that Cho lived in a Muslim neighborhood:

Cho’s family lived in a two-story townhouse in Centreville, where neighbor Abdul Shash said the gunman played basketball and wouldn’t respond if someone greeted him. He was “very quiet, always by himself,” said Shash.

Okay, that may not mean all that much,
Under****ingstatement of the year.
Basketball and a quiet kid. Yep, wahhabi all over the place.

Yahoshua 04-17-07 07:05 PM

More news articles on the subject:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OICT580&show_article=1

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=449073&in_page_id=181 1&ct=5

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Apr...eapons,00.html

And might I point out that the firearm is Austrian made.....(hint hint).

P_Funk 04-18-07 02:07 AM

I'm really finding the news coverage of this to be annoying. All day long its one interview after another with a "witness" thats almost in tears, or its another maudlin reporter sounding somber but not really exploring anything other than "its a tragedy".

I'd like to hear some talk of why the cops didn't respond without having to sit there for 45 minutes while they go through their sensation spiel. I know its traumatic but aside from my human compassion I want to know why the cops haven't learned how to react to this after so many other events and so on...etc...

I don't mean to offend anyone but I want some meat. Something thats more than just emotional sensation.

Godboo 04-18-07 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
I'm really finding the news coverage of this to be annoying. All day long its one interview after another with a "witness" thats almost in tears, or its another maudlin reporter sounding somber but not really exploring anything other than "its a tragedy".

I'd like to hear some talk of why the cops didn't respond without having to sit there for 45 minutes while they go through their sensation spiel. I know its traumatic but aside from my human compassion I want to know why the cops haven't learned how to react to this after so many other events and so on...etc...

I don't mean to offend anyone but I want some meat. Something thats more than just emotional sensation.

I'm finding the news reports more depressing than anything. I just flat out stopped watching the news yesterday cause I was always in a bad mood.

_Seth_ 04-18-07 01:21 PM

A truly sad and horrific tragedy..
My thoughts and condolances are with the families and friends of those killed...R.I.P..

Tchocky 04-18-07 09:39 PM

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...is_ismail.html

eugh

geetrue 04-18-07 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Godboo
I'm finding the news reports more depressing than anything. I just flat out stopped watching the news yesterday cause I was always in a bad mood.

At first it was shocking news and they didn't even have advertising on ABC, but now it's a way to gratify the senses of people that need this kind of high, plus it helps pay the bills ... I'm sorry it happened and even more sorry that the warning of his own teacher (who saw it coming) couldn't prevent this horrible crime.

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