Think they were also used to attack certain smaller vessles on the surface that didn't require and heavy weapon ( small sampan's come to mind ) and as extra cover like someone else said while on the surface while doing repairs or if stuck on the surface due to non-repairable damage away from a port to supplement there AA and or Surface Vessle defense like you said.

UPDATE:

well it looks like it will be a long time before i can do any more work on this.

hurricane damage has me without computer access till next year at least.

it doesnt look like very many people are still interested in it anyway.

hopefully shad43 will be back soon so he can update his mod for himself.

last i heard he left for work away from home and is too busy for modding.

just downloaded it, thanks !

could you do a 7.7 mm jap one ? I know the I-58 machine-gunned survivors :nope: that's not what I wanna do, just shoot it out with a plane or a cargo, then again if you say no I'll autopsy your mod and replicate it ;)

great work, sorry about the hurricane (r u from Texas ?) you can always upload using an usb key ?

keltos

im in louisiana, thanks

and its not my mod, it is shad43's mod but he went mia ever since month of may (traveling for work) and the download no longer exists so i tried to redo it following his description of how it was done so it could be used again.

i never recieved any imput by anyone if it actually works. i didnt do much testing of it but i tried it with single missions and it didnt show up there so i figured it wasnt working. i think it was a recognition issue. if you can, have at it, see if you can get it working, just remember to credit shad43 for the original work.

will try, and if it works, I'll give full credits to both of you guys.

keltos

Nop, the I-58 never did ;) it was the I-8 in the Indian ocean, and only once. that was the only time japs Machine gunned people in the water.

no need to give me any credit :up:

which sub did carry twi deck guns ?

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/sunk.htm

they were machine gunned.

k

the japanese had little reguard for those who were defeated in battle and survived.

they felt if you didnt die in battle you had no honor and did not deserve any respect so IMO i believe they commonly commited atrocities like shooting helpless sailors in lifeboats at sea but left no witnesses around to report them.

It wasnt the I-58 ill tell you that, but now only 1 japanese submarine was was in that area at that time, The I-12

http://www.combinedfleet.com/I-12.htm

read here talks about the shootings

so yea my mistake its 2 documented japanese subs Shooting lifeboats the I-8 and I-12;)

In the Book I-boat capitan, the autor (Zenji Orita) mentions that after the war he heard that about the same time close to the same place, a US sailing ship was bound from frisco to Hawaii and that the sailors say a japanese sub surfaced right next to them, obviosly they were freaked out and tought they were gonna get it, the AA guns on the sub were manned and the sub circled the sailboat 3 times, then all of a sudden all the men on the sub went below save for 3 men and they blinkered the sailship "Thats one fine ship you have there, have a good voyage" and the the sub submerged. Zenji said it must have been the I-12 for sure, he knew the capitan of the I-12 and says he was fond of sailboats


Then why is it that in early 42' the I-25 spotted a longboat loaded with survivors adrift in the mid pacific on its way to the US west coast and stopped by it, provided medical asisstance to whoever needed it, water, food a compus, directions to the nearest island and wished them well before moving along? (from book SUNK! by Hashimoto)


Have you anyidea how many times americans Machine gunned jap survivors?:-? look up mush morton, the new britan convoy massacre, etc.

there were some bad people on both sides and im not saying every boat did it but the prevailing japanese attitude was to abuse the enemy at all times and give them no comfort or respect.

all im saying is that to try and say there was only one such case of gunning down helpless sailors may be all that was witnessed by survivors and can be proven, but it does not mean it was THE only time it happened. try reading up on how american prisoners of war were treated and the life expectancy they had as captives of the japanese to understand the way japanese soldiers felt about americans.

well obviosly theres bad people on all 2 sides of a war always no exeptions, but my point is that US war atrocities were commited on large scales, larger than the documented Japanese ones, exept you never hear about them.

well i think both sides covered up much but i think it was more common on japans side but i say that because it was a cultural thing not a racial judgement thing.

japans mentality surounded around honor in a way that most americans could never understand. it was because they viewed use as having no honor they naturally felt we werent as worthy of compassion or good treatment from them. they didnt go out and deside to be cruel, but to them we were often thought of as being no better than dogs. our view of them was equally prejudiced.

anyway all i really wanted to say in the other post was that there could easily be more than one machine gunning incident so dont discount that possability just because there wasnt a witnessed event.

More like rats than dogs;) theres been many cases were US soldiers shot japanese soldiers after surrendering. but emm yea i do get your point. take note i speak ONLY on part of the IJN, the IJA was compleatly another story, yes the IJA was MUCH worse than others (USSR possible exeption). but ermm yea i defend the Japanese navy:lol:

i must yeild to your point because the ijn navy was nothing like the army so perhaps i am being a little too critical of their navy. i think the navy had a better reputation and thereby probably much better treatment of the enemy.