BTW, ins't their a forum for just this subject? I'm not sure but I remember reading about it somewhere. You can bet your ___ that if I was posting my desire to improve SH4 and focus energy towards keeping it fleetboats specific, I would be asked why I was posting it there! Also, I'm positive we can have a RFB or FTT mod that equals GWX if we just focus on that...

You talk about freedom of speech.... But here, aren't you the one who doesn't let us speak about what we want to have for this game (an atlantic campaign) ? :hmm:

That would be nice if you SH4 players can understand we SH3 players just keep playing SH3 cause we like it, that's all. :-?
I (and the majority of SH3 players) have never said I don't like american subs. :-?
I don't like this war between SH4 players "hey guys here is the new game, let's all play it now" and SH3 players "we like this game and are not yet bored of uboats so let us play SH3, we'll not give up this game". :dead:

Honestly, I don't like it either

I hope when a good patch comes out you all will buy it and help us with some of these issues. You've got a couple of years of knowledge that would be invaluable

1) I am a patriotic American. I have served seven years in our Army. Both of my Grandfathers served in WWII and some of their brothers (my great Uncles) served in the U.S. Navy in the Pacific theater... notably on the U.S.S. Enterprise.

I also have friends risking their lives in Iraq.

If for instance the Congolese Republic decided to invade the U.S. I'm not confused as to which side I'd fight on.

2) This has NOTHING to do with the idea of being able to visit BOTH theaters (ala IL-2 Complete edition!!!!!) within the same simulator.

3) I think American subs are cool too.

4) I LIKE ALL DIESEL SUBS... and I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY!!! WHO CARES!!!

5) I thought that this place was supposed to be about the advancement of submarine simulations... and dare I say inspite of our differences... the "Brotherhood of Submariners!" (You know... Remember how you felt for the Russian sailors when the Kursk went down??? Did ya forget already???) The attitudes of a few individuals here suck... trying to define where one backyard ends and another begins. Look past your own nose!

6) Eventually I hope to skipper British, Italian, Russian, Japanese, and LEICHENSTEINIAN SUBS because it leads to education and enables one to see the WHOLE picture. Dragging nationalism into matters of SIMULATION is absolutely pointless and the "Church of SH4" individuals telling off the "SH3 Mobsters" is only peeing in the swimming pool. You are only shooting yourselves in both feet anyway. Thats right! Keep on shooing away experienced modding talent that might eventually be brought to bear on items that YOU are interested in.

7) Whether it is U-boats or British S-CLass subs that were represented by SH3... porting these things to SH4 is an eventuality... NOT a question mark. Accept it. It will happen whether or not you keep whining.

8) You can choose to assist, observe, or interfere... It doesn't matter... because some of us can see what this might mean for the Silent Hunter series 10 years from now... when our current PC's are snails... and our new PC's... will let you smell the deisel. Besides, even from a business standpoint, the Silent Hunter Series will need to expand to make money... and to keep fueling ALL our needs to go to sea.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Now, me and my "gynormous ego" have better things to do than deal with further myopic concepts presented on this thread. We've got work to do.

Truthfully i could care less how and what people mod.

My stance is a bit different.

With SH3, i didnt want another atlantic game. I wanted a game about the pacific. Instead of closing my mind to it, i embrassed it. I read and learned all that i could on the subject. I afforded the history behind it all the respect it deserved, - probably to an extreme, and have a much greater appreciation for that chapter in History that Sh3 lionizes. But now that the table is turned around to the other theater, the other submarine service, its dishearting to see that many folks here are unable, or unwilling to do the same. I guess i misjudged some people here. I thought they were more open minded. Cie la vie.

@ Ducimus : I completely understand what you mean. You're american, you did not have to like SH3 or to learn things about this game cause it's the atlantic campaign, but you did, and you just want us to do the same, yes :). That's normal, and legitimate ;).
I can't pretend to be more open-minded than anyone else, I just want to say I bought SH4 and did not play it yet cause my comp does not have the specs to handle this game (:88) :rotfl:), but as soon as I have a new one, I'll give as much interest to this next SH opus as I gave to SH3 ! :D ;)

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Aw, and by the way, it's "c'est la vie". :up:

Thanks for the understanding Alex. I was starting to think i was completely crazy. (Im still a nutjub, just not a total one :88) )

:rotfl: lol
Well, I just like to discover new things, just like you with the atlantic campaign.
For the moment I still know nothing about this side of the war (pacific), that's why I'm eagerly awaiting a new comp. :88)
Hopefully I'll have it in a few months :roll:, so I have to search for some books dealing with WW2 in the pacific and american subs to be ready to play the game. :cool:

Time to go to bed for me now :88) 2:33AM here
See you tomorrow ! http://yelims2.free.fr/DoDo/Dodo46.gif

Damn Lehmann, I was actually being sincere in my last post. Why did you have to mess it up!

I'm sorry man, I cant help it, your narcissism (you might have to look that one up) just gets me going! :rotfl:

Ohhh stop it. Yer hurtin' mah feelins.

Its not about me... or GWX. LOL, it never has been. Its about pushing the simulator as far as it can go... so that "so-and-so" doesn't get bored with the Atlantic... or U-boats, Gatos, ETO/PTO or whatever.

Open your tiny head and think about where it could go!

Whoever steers the ship doesn't really matter... as long as the destination is reached. Everything else is useless twaddle.

The idea serves you and everyone else here.

I'd say that it was anything but a narcissistic concept.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere... there is German who is going to fix a problem with an American sub in SH4... that goes into a mod that you and others eventually use.

Why is that a waste? SHIV has different better capabilities than SH3 in a lot of areas and the graphics are much improved. Not to mention the fact that a lot of new members might not have SH3 so it's openning a whole new door for them. Also if GWX is anything to go by then I'm guessing that Kpt and his friends won't just be adding ETO but working to improve gameplay globally much like the SHIV modders are already doing.

Every little helps.

Nah Clayton, lets just say that we like the pretty water, considering we were already talking about how cool it looked prior to the release of SH4 in the GWX forum.

Actually, you know we decided to look at transferring things to the SH4 platform solely to irritate you.:rotfl:

PS: I like your new sig addenda "Church of SH4." Its nice to know my words will be remembered wherever you post LOL.:cool:

Did ya think of that when you were looking up the definition of myopia?:p

Agreed!

I'm positive Lehmann's crew will do wonderful work with SH4.

Lehmann your brilliant!

To think you would actually port something over just for my sake...

Wait a minute, you guys aren't going to wait until Berry finishes before you do something...:rotfl: