Originally Posted by cappy70

I say again,,I cancelled my order due to Amazon "forever" delivery,,pushed back to mid-April (7-14th)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in my case (several others got the same effect from Amazon).



BTW,,I'm going to "slam" all settings to high in my rig and see what happens :)

Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

Wel Neal, I can understand and empathize with your exuberant enthusiasm. But you have asked/said yourself when will we customers stop accepting bug-ridden, unfinished at release games? You said you don't know.

Well I know.

I draw the line at being deceived about the higher resolutions advertised in the game. Obviously, where people draw the line is entirely up to them. For me, it's this kind of deception.

And as long as people are willing to hand over money for bug-ridden, unfinished software, then I'm sure that companies will be will happy to oblige. That much I'm so sure of that I feel safe in saying, I know. However, things might change if customers stop doing that! I don't want to see an end to the Silent Hunter series, but I don't want to be handed unfinished work for my money and be made to feel I should be thankful and happy for it.

Although some might be fine with getting whatever they deliver because "it's all we have, there is no other competition/choice". That's fine. But I think people should know what they're getting though, and from what I hear and see, not only is SHIV unpolished, it's unfinished!

Should we be happy about that?

Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

Nice pic. But I can see that I would be facing shimmering and jaggies, which to me, personally, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself... I find unacceptable in a sim made in the year 2007.


Now, if the game actually delivered a 3D rendering at 1600x1200 on my system, and not upscaled from 1024x768, then it would help towards reducing the shimmering/jaggies, which are especially pronounced with distant objects. Although an actual, real, higher res wouldn't totally alleviate the jaggies and shimmering it would help and I would be willing to purchase the game, if it were real!

But I have been convinced it's not and that the advertised higher resolutions are faked by being upscaled from 1024x768 by the evidence and testimony that's been presented on the forum here. To me, upscaling from 1024x768 is a practice in deception, a lie, a cheat. I for one am taking a stand against this and Voting 'NO' by voicing my protest here on the forum and with my wallet.

If evidence and testimony comes forth showing that the higher resolutions are in fact 'real' and not just upscaled, then I apologize. If that happens and if they promise to finish the game, then I will likely purchase it.

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

Originally Posted by OneTinSoldier

Well sorry guys(Uber Gruber, Hitman and TDK1044), but I disagree. Not that I want to see Sub Simulations come to end, but I think a fellow should support quality products with his hard earned money, not just any old poop that's put into a box.

Worrying about Silent Hunter series coming to an end eh? Well, it's realy a shame it doesn't have any competition. That allows Ubi to dish out whatever they want, even an unfinished game, not just some as usual expected bugs... but an unfinished game/sim, knowing some(possibly even many thousands of) people will buy it NO MATTER WHAT.

Or am I missing something here? Is there, at some point, you would consider it to be so bad that you would not consider it to be worthy of purchasing?

Originally Posted by Hitman

No? Well, then here goes another (me): I will support and buy any future submarine simulations, no matter if they come from UBI or from another company :smug:.

Why? Because submarine simulations are rare, and companies venturing into them even more rarer. And if they do not get some sells and support, they will never think of doing further -hopefully better- titles. Think of it like this: To get a good soccer game from EA Sports you just need one release. To get a good submarine simulation, you need sometimes many releases. That reflects the extra cost of developing products with lower sales figures. But still better than anything.

And let me end by saying something else: If you want the perfect, bugfree submarine simulation of the Pacific War, you are a lucky man. You can get for 10$ SH1 on e-bay right now. Want the fancy SH4 graphics also? Then bit the bullet and support SH4 making constructive critizism and buying a copy. In the end of the day, SH4 will be fixed and we all will be having tons of fun, that's for sure.

And anyway, all you guys who want to cancel the order are in fact experimenting the hardcore realism of the Pacific Campaign in the early years: Frustration. So it seems that in the end SH4 is for you all in fact a good and true-to-life simulation, isn't it? ;)

Originally Posted by The General

100% correct. :up: Go back and look at that image in Post #10. How can you look at that and not wanna buy this game?

Originally Posted by Biggs[CV]

The thing that gets me about people cancelling their orders is this: The game will be patched, probably 3-4 times at least. UBI knows there are bugs and they are planning to fix them. Get the game, play it a bit, get a feel for it. Get some experiance. Wait for the patches. It'll get better.

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I think what you're missing is that the reason there isn't any competition is because there isn't that much money to be made producing sub sims. These games attract a predominantly older demographic, and they are PC based games in a world where the large market share is in console based games. The budget and production schedule allocated to a game like Silent Hunter 4 reflects that fact.

Accepting the fact that because of production schedule and cost restraints you're not going to get a bug free game which satisfies you, would you rather have a game that's buggy at release, but which can be patched and modded to make it a great game like SH3, or would you rather have no game at all?

Because if SH4 doesn't meet its sale projection and out sell Silent Hunter 3, that's exactly what's going to happen. And if anyone here thinks that another company will then step in and start making bug free WWII sub sims, having watched Ubisoft fail, then you're living in cloud cukoo land.

Companies produce games to make money. When a game stops making money, they stop making it. What good is all the talent present on this Forum if there's no game for us to play and mod?

So my personal view, which has nothing to do with being a Moderator, is please support the Silent Hunter franchise.

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Being a Moderator here has nothing to do with expressing a pesonal opinion. If you disagree, I respect that.

I understand the argument regarding FSAA, and I undertsand that people are not impressed with the upscaling resolution issue and feel that there are too many bugs in the release version of the game. I'd rather keep supporting the franchise and try and improve things that way rather than simply not buying the game.