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Prof 04-08-07 07:15 PM

I thought it was a great race...didn't realise there were so many F1 fans in the GT forum!

Massa's incident with Hamilton was ridiculous...as of that moment I realised he will never be a World Champion.
I do (sort of) agree with Dowly on Hamilton's blocking though. The agreement the drivers have is that you can change lines down a straight only once. Hamilton seemed to be weaving wherever he wanted at some points. There's legitimate racing and there's blocking. What Hamilton did with Massa was fair...he chose his line and stuck to it, then used his intelligence (something Massa seems to be lacking) to maintain his lead.

Anyway, go Alonso and McLaren!!

HunterICX 04-09-07 03:54 AM

Massa incident never going to make him a world champion or a candidate?

Sorry , but someone that show he got guts to take a risk are the ones that are fighting for the number 1. it can turn out wrong or good I dont care what the final result is I love it both, I wanna see action.

about the action of hamilton, I hate the BUFFER tactic that the secondary driver of a Team must buffer by keeping the ones behind him behind and then Alonso can walk of with the number 1. I dont like it for the ones behind him and for the secondary driver himself, he mentions he wants to finish as the 1st then LET HIM FINISH as the first and not be someone dog like the (schumacher & Barrichelo) what we all have seen.

I hate those sissy's that dont dare to take a risk and just drive like they do on a freaking Highway, I want to see drivers that show they got guts and do anything however it turns out to be the number 1.
Some drivers can leave Formula 1 immediatly as they dont perform and get some more New potentials in it!

STEED 04-09-07 05:08 AM

Missed it but I know some run who recorded it so I shall watch it some time in the week.

Dowly 04-09-07 06:21 AM

Ok, maybe (MAYBBEEEE) I was a tad too hars before. But it just ticks me off that the really isnt REAL racing anymore on F1. And like Hunter said, the buffer tactic is just lame. If the guy can and has the ability to win the race, then why the feck he cant do it!? Heck, Hamilton could be even better than Alonso! Tests dont show much of the real driving skills you get when racing. Adrenaline can do miracles.

Syxx_Killer 04-09-07 08:26 AM

I don't think Hamilton was running a buffer so much as he was just trying to stay ahead of the Ferraris. They seemed to be quicker but he did a good job keeping in front of them.

Dowly 04-09-07 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Syxx_Killer
I don't think Hamilton was running a buffer so much as he was just trying to stay ahead of the Ferraris. They seemed to be quicker but he did a good job keeping in front of them.

The commentators, including names like Mika Salo & Keke Rosberg said that it was clear Hamilton was braking way too early to the turns to slow the Ferrari´s down. But, the decision came from the team, Hamilton just did what he was told to. After all, Mclaren has already made it clear that Hamilton is just a helping hand to make sure Alonso wins.;)

stabiz 04-09-07 09:25 AM

Wow, never heard that. If so i totally agree, thats lame.

They should remove and ban all the little crappy wings on the cars, and make them tidier like in the late 90`s, since its impossible to run very close to the car in front right now.

Dowly 04-09-07 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stabiz
Wow, never heard that. If so i totally agree, thats lame.

They should remove and ban all the little crappy wings on the cars, and make them tidier like in the late 90`s, since its impossible to run very close to the car in front right now.

Heard it just before Jean Todt´s interview. The commentator said that Ron Dennis has made his decision already about the primary/secondary drivers, but Ferrari havent decided it yet. If Kimi can pull good points on next race he´ll be the primary for Ferrari. Just tried to search for any news about the Mclaren´s choice of p/s drivers, but couldnt find any.

STEED 04-09-07 11:14 AM

Just watched it and well. Not what I call hot more like :zzz:

I hear India and Russia along with South Africa could be on next years calendar. :hmm:

Godalmighty83 04-09-07 12:44 PM

bernie is aiming for a 20 grandprix season.

i wish he would just sort out the schedule.

melbourne > 3 weeks > malaysia > 1 week > bahrain > 1 month > rest of season.


dowly, it could be said that hamilton was doing his job, at that stage of the race he simply wasnt that quick so holding the ferraris up while they were could have been may have been for his own benefit. after his first stop (he was heaciest of the top 4 on fuel as well) his aero was adjusted and new tyres put on he set the fastest lap of the race.


the blocking is part of racing you simply cant let drivers sail past you like the ferraris did with the mclarens at the start. the slightly vague blocking rule is changing posistion to cover twice in succession. going from racing line > block > then back to racing line is fine. he didnt do anything 'wrong' per-se .

massa utterly misjudged it and kimi didnt even bother is that hamiltons fault.

and on the kimi front, many are saying that his engine was heavily restricted too preserve it so it seems off that he set the 2nd fastest top speed only 1kmh off his teammate. mclarens werent even near the top for top speed.

Dowly 04-09-07 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Godalmighty83
and on the kimi front, many are saying that his engine was heavily restricted too preserve it so it seems off that he set the 2nd fastest top speed only 1kmh off his teammate. mclarens werent even near the top for top speed.

What are the people talking when they air the race?! About the weather?? Good thing we Finns are crazy about F1, so the commentators pretty much cover every tiny bit of info they get and share it with the audience. But yes, the cooling system on Kimi´s car was FUBAR after the last race and they decided not to change the engine, but instead restrict it´s stop speed abit. :yep:

Godalmighty83 04-09-07 04:13 PM

yes i heard all about the slight coolant leak at melbourne, but many are making out like kimi was heavily down on power in malaysia with a massively restricted engine.

only being 1kmh slower on the straight then your teammate and +5 over the next quickest (a bmw i think) isnt that much of a restriction. they could ahve given up like 10kmh peak for extra downforce to have the same top speed as the mclarens.

XabbaRus 04-10-07 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by Syxx_Killer
I don't think Hamilton was running a buffer so much as he was just trying to stay ahead of the Ferraris. They seemed to be quicker but he did a good job keeping in front of them.

The commentators, including names like Mika Salo & Keke Rosberg said that it was clear Hamilton was braking way too early to the turns to slow the Ferrari´s down. But, the decision came from the team, Hamilton just did what he was told to. After all, Mclaren has already made it clear that Hamilton is just a helping hand to make sure Alonso wins.;)

Funny that and they were all Fins commenting on this and a Finnish poster too.

I think Hamilton drove a great race, kept the Ferraris behind him. If Hamilton was breaking early then surely Massa or Raikonnen could have out breaked him.

BTW I know you like Raikonnen but I personally think he is one of the most miserable rude drivers in F1, on the podium he looked really upset.

Hitman 04-10-07 07:27 AM

I was hoping to see this season De la Rosa in the second McLaren with Alonso, in an "all spanish" driver line up. But seeing Hamilton's performance, I must admit that the rookie is being the correct choice. Impressive racing by him, including making Massa nervous enough to go out of the track (Wel it is Massa anyway...Shumacher would have probably stormed past Hamilton and game over....).

F1 has been lately a bit more interesting to watch, even if only for the few first laps until everyone takes his position and waits for pit stop strategy. But fortunately the Champ Car world series begins next weekend :D and that's really good close racing. No will to draw technological or driver's comparisons here, but overall I consider champcar much more fun to watch.:up:

Dowly 04-10-07 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus
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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by Syxx_Killer
I don't think Hamilton was running a buffer so much as he was just trying to stay ahead of the Ferraris. They seemed to be quicker but he did a good job keeping in front of them.

The commentators, including names like Mika Salo & Keke Rosberg said that it was clear Hamilton was braking way too early to the turns to slow the Ferrari´s down. But, the decision came from the team, Hamilton just did what he was told to. After all, Mclaren has already made it clear that Hamilton is just a helping hand to make sure Alonso wins.;)

Funny that and they were all Fins commenting on this and a Finnish poster too.

I think Hamilton drove a great race, kept the Ferraris behind him. If Hamilton was breaking early then surely Massa or Raikonnen could have out breaked him.

BTW I know you like Raikonnen but I personally think he is one of the most miserable rude drivers in F1, on the podium he looked really upset.

You can believe what you want. But the commentators are pretty neutral in any sports you watch in Finland. Sooo, let me say this again; Former F1 drivers Keke Rosberg, Mika Salo & JJ Lehto and the technical advisor for the commentators all said that it was clear he was braking way too early.

But I´m not mad because Kimi didnt win. I´m mad b/c of the stupid "Ok, you might be better driver, but let´s still let that spaniard win.. he might start crying otherwise". Give the guy a change to show what he really an do! :shifty:


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