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horrgakx 01-23-07 03:22 AM

Good description of the memory Vikinger!

Of course, those of us who grew up with DOS know all about memory. Trying to shuffle the order that the 16k mouse driver loads to compact it all down - the XMS and the EMS specs ... ahhh they were the days. Kids these days have it all easy :)

And then of course I started with a 1K ZX81. Now THAT was computing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX81


Dave

johnno74 01-23-07 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horrgakx
Good description of the memory Vikinger!

Of course, those of us who grew up with DOS know all about memory. Trying to shuffle the order that the 16k mouse driver loads to compact it all down - the XMS and the EMS specs ... ahhh they were the days. Kids these days have it all easy :)

And then of course I started with a 1K ZX81. Now THAT was computing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX81
Dave

Heh that brings back memories. I had a ZX81, with the extra 16kb ram pack (oooh...!)

It was a cartridge thing that plugged into the expansion port on the back. Problem was it the slightest touch of the ram pack, or even knocking the desk the thing was on was often enough to disturb the connection enough to cause a crash or a reboot. :damn:

I spent many, MANY hours typing basic programs out of magazines onto that crappy keyboard. I lusted after a ZX spectrum, with its fancy colour graphcs and 48kb of memory.

Now, 25 years later I have a spectrum emulator on my cellphone. And, ironically the keypad is easier to use.

But horrgakx is right - you haven't really lived until you've battled config.sys and autoexec.bat, manually loading your device drivers and finding the optimal load order by hand... and battling emm386, trying every high memory window address option there was, just to get enough conventional memory free to play x-wing and the like :|\\

Tool 01-23-07 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikinger
I wonder Tool, You say you have 1 gig of dual channel. So then you must have 1 pair of 512 sticks?

If you are gona upgrade to 2 gig i suggest you get rid of thos 2 512 sticks and buy 2 new 1 gig sticks instead.

Ive had major problem whit dual channel when i tryed to use some older sticks i had whit some new, even if they where same brand. Its more difficult for a computer to handle 4 512 sticks than it is for 2 1024 sticks.
Its very sensitive to get dual channel to work correctly.

Whit thos 4 512, (same brand) The computer refused to start whit that configuration.

If i wanted it to work whit 4 sticks i had to have 4 sticks that was more or less manufactured same day and from same batch.

But some motherboard are more sensitive than others.


I'm running Crucial DDR2 667 in a 1 gig stick on an Intel 965LT MB with a dual core E6400 (2.13 ghz). So as far as I understand it, I'm running just one stick of dual channel... correct me if I'm wrong.

Tool 01-23-07 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnno74
Quote:

Originally Posted by horrgakx
Good description of the memory Vikinger!

Of course, those of us who grew up with DOS know all about memory. Trying to shuffle the order that the 16k mouse driver loads to compact it all down - the XMS and the EMS specs ... ahhh they were the days. Kids these days have it all easy :)

And then of course I started with a 1K ZX81. Now THAT was computing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX81
Dave

Heh that brings back memories. I had a ZX81, with the extra 16kb ram pack (oooh...!)

It was a cartridge thing that plugged into the expansion port on the back. Problem was it the slightest touch of the ram pack, or even knocking the desk the thing was on was often enough to disturb the connection enough to cause a crash or a reboot. :damn:

I spent many, MANY hours typing basic programs out of magazines onto that crappy keyboard. I lusted after a ZX spectrum, with its fancy colour graphcs and 48kb of memory.

Now, 25 years later I have a spectrum emulator on my cellphone. And, ironically the keypad is easier to use.

But horrgakx is right - you haven't really lived until you've battled config.sys and autoexec.bat, manually loading your device drivers and finding the optimal load order by hand... and battling emm386, trying every high memory window address option there was, just to get enough conventional memory free to play x-wing and the like :|\\

Ahhhh yea... nothing like editting the autoexec and config to get that critical 620K I needed to run Falcon 3. These kids today don't know how nice they have it.. that and spending $2100 for my 486dx33 with 8 megs of RAM (RAM was $50/mb back then), and a 1mb svga video card. FAST!! :cool:

Tool

melnibonian 01-23-07 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horrgakx
Good description of the memory Vikinger!

Of course, those of us who grew up with DOS know all about memory. Trying to shuffle the order that the 16k mouse driver loads to compact it all down - the XMS and the EMS specs ... ahhh they were the days. Kids these days have it all easy :)

And then of course I started with a 1K ZX81. Now THAT was computing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX81


Dave

You have me on the memory lane now. Yes trying to load up the games on tape recorders and having to wait for hours till you play once was something to experience (especially when the loading procedure stopped at 99% after half an hour of loading). Now we have fast RAM fast graphics cards and games who's graphics we couldn't even imagine back then. I guess we're lucky. We say the humble beginings and now we see what computers can potentially do;) :D :D

horrgakx 01-23-07 08:19 AM

Hellishly off on a tangent now, but does anyone remember Racing Destruction Set on the C64? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Destruction_Set It had 4 tapes and it pulled bits off each but you had to play one from start to finish, and if it failed to load you didn't know where the hell you were. My C64 nearly went through the 1701 monitor many a time :damn:

I remember x-wing on the PC too, and having multiple boot-setups for each game ;)


Dave

stabiz 01-23-07 08:26 AM

:rotfl:

Vikinger 01-23-07 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tool
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikinger
I wonder Tool, You say you have 1 gig of dual channel. So then you must have 1 pair of 512 sticks?

If you are gona upgrade to 2 gig i suggest you get rid of thos 2 512 sticks and buy 2 new 1 gig sticks instead.

Ive had major problem whit dual channel when i tryed to use some older sticks i had whit some new, even if they where same brand. Its more difficult for a computer to handle 4 512 sticks than it is for 2 1024 sticks.
Its very sensitive to get dual channel to work correctly.

Whit thos 4 512, (same brand) The computer refused to start whit that configuration.

If i wanted it to work whit 4 sticks i had to have 4 sticks that was more or less manufactured same day and from same batch.

But some motherboard are more sensitive than others.


I'm running Crucial DDR2 667 in a 1 gig stick on an Intel 965LT MB with a dual core E6400 (2.13 ghz). So as far as I understand it, I'm running just one stick of dual channel... correct me if I'm wrong.

Some nice stuff there but if you only have 1 stick of ram it cant possible be running in dual channel. So your computer runs it as a normal memory stick and you dont take advantage of the dual channel option. Dual channel is 1 pair of sticks (2 of them) And they work together.

Easiest way to tell if your computer supports dual channel is to check your motherboard if it has the memory slots for 4 modules . Thos memory slot are in different colour. 2 of them are blue and 2 of them are black. The blue and black slots as two pairs of dual-channel memory configuration.

If you plan to buy 1 more memory stick then i suggest you take the one you have to the store and show them it so you get identical pair.

Then when you plug them in you have to place them in the blue slots. or the black slots for it to work and then the BIOS will handle the configuration for you so you just have to press the start button on your compouter :)

But be carefull when you handle the memory stick coz they are sensitve to static electric shock.

Hartmann 01-23-07 05:34 PM

Sh3 could run in my old 486 at 100 mhz and 4 mb memory.(still running if needed)

well , to be exact not only one... :doh:


twenty 486 100 mhz computer > 2000 mhz

130 old 486 with 4 mb each > 520 mgs of ram

Tool 01-23-07 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikinger
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tool
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikinger
I wonder Tool, You say you have 1 gig of dual channel. So then you must have 1 pair of 512 sticks?

If you are gona upgrade to 2 gig i suggest you get rid of thos 2 512 sticks and buy 2 new 1 gig sticks instead.

Ive had major problem whit dual channel when i tryed to use some older sticks i had whit some new, even if they where same brand. Its more difficult for a computer to handle 4 512 sticks than it is for 2 1024 sticks.
Its very sensitive to get dual channel to work correctly.

Whit thos 4 512, (same brand) The computer refused to start whit that configuration.

If i wanted it to work whit 4 sticks i had to have 4 sticks that was more or less manufactured same day and from same batch.

But some motherboard are more sensitive than others.


I'm running Crucial DDR2 667 in a 1 gig stick on an Intel 965LT MB with a dual core E6400 (2.13 ghz). So as far as I understand it, I'm running just one stick of dual channel... correct me if I'm wrong.

Some nice stuff there but if you only have 1 stick of ram it cant possible be running in dual channel. So your computer runs it as a normal memory stick and you dont take advantage of the dual channel option. Dual channel is 1 pair of sticks (2 of them) And they work together.

Easiest way to tell if your computer supports dual channel is to check your motherboard if it has the memory slots for 4 modules . Thos memory slot are in different colour. 2 of them are blue and 2 of them are black. The blue and black slots as two pairs of dual-channel memory configuration.

If you plan to buy 1 more memory stick then i suggest you take the one you have to the store and show them it so you get identical pair.

Then when you plug them in you have to place them in the blue slots. or the black slots for it to work and then the BIOS will handle the configuration for you so you just have to press the start button on your compouter :)

But be carefull when you handle the memory stick coz they are sensitve to static electric shock.

Hmm, interesting to learn. Yea, this board has 4 slots (Intel BLKDP965LTCK LGA 775 Intel P965) and will support 8gig of RAM, and although I build all my machines, I never knew you needed 2 sticks for it to be true dual channel. I'll just pop on newegg and order another stick of this:
Crucial 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) System Memory $129.99

Twin to the RAM I ordered for this rig at the end of October. Gotta love Newegg.

Simple enough.. :cool:
Tool.

Vikinger 01-24-07 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tool

Hmm, interesting to learn. Yea, this board has 4 slots (Intel BLKDP965LTCK LGA 775 Intel P965) and will support 8gig of RAM, and although I build all my machines, I never knew you needed 2 sticks for it to be true dual channel. I'll just pop on newegg and order another stick of this:
Crucial 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) System Memory $129.99

Twin to the RAM I ordered for this rig at the end of October. Gotta love Newegg.

Simple enough.. :cool:
Tool.


If you have your manual for your motherboard you can read about it there how to set it up properly. It should also be some table there that describe it. If you put the module/modules in wrong slot the computer wont start.

But from my manual its says:

1. Dual channel mode will NOT be Enabled of only one DDR memory module is installed.

2. To Enable Dual Channel mode whit 2 memory modules (its recomended to use memory modules of identical brand. size, chips and speed), you must install them into DIMM sockets of same colour.


So if you get 1 more module place them into the blue DIMM socket first.
If your computer refuse to start after you have installed them. Then try to swap the modules on the 2 blue slots. if that not work you might try to install them on the black DIMM slot.
If that does not work you might have got/bought wrong module. Even if it is same brand it can be a slight difference between them. In that case, go back to the store and try to get an other one.
In worst case you might be forced to buy 2 new modules from same batch.

PS: Sorry for hijacking this thread to discuss computer stuff :D I dunno how it started hehe.

Tool 01-24-07 05:51 AM

We're still on track, as we are talking about RAM, heheh.

You mentioned the manual, and this board didn't come with a paper manual, so I haven't even looked at it. I'll check out the manual on the CD and see what it says about that though. Thanks for the info.. I learned something new today.

Tool.

Slick Rick 01-24-07 09:15 AM

I went to crucial's site as previously recommended...thanx for that link!! and my system can handle up to 2 GB of ram...so I purchased it right from their site....I have to stop reading threads like this....it usually ends up costing me money ..... :yep: :yep:

Jimbuna 01-24-07 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick Rick
I went to crucial's site as previously recommended...thanx for that link!! and my system can handle up to 2 GB of ram...so I purchased it right from their site....I have to stop reading threads like this....it usually ends up costing me money ..... :yep: :yep:

Click on my sig for a cut price deal on a GWX download...I'm over the 1000 mark and by way of celebrating I'm offering the next 1000 at half price :cool: :up:


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