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STEED 12-20-15 06:11 AM

Is 32bit the answer against Win10?

A friend of mind has a Win7 32bit notepad and has had no issue what so ever with Win10 nagware and he asked others he works with and those who run 32bit no problem and those on 64bit yes Win10 nagware. I'm no expert but judging this survey of a small number of people a clear answer seems to be 32bit Win7/8 not one bit of bother. Any of you experts can throw more light on this? :hmm2:

AVGWarhawk 12-23-15 12:19 PM

Pushing W10 hard. I have found a few internet games will only work on W10.

STEED 12-25-15 07:16 PM

I hear Jan 1st 2016 Microsoft's guns will be blazing away 24/7 pushing Win10.

Rockin Robbins 12-25-15 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2367449)
Your answer to a question I'm not asking.

First of all it's not my answer. There are thousands of people scattered all over the world who have worked together to make Linux possible. It is entirely open source. That means that anyone can scrutinize the code and verify that it is not malicious like Windows. It is free, not free like Windows 10 which is a bargain with a mugger, but free like something that works for you, not against you, and which costs you nothing.

It conforms to the old definition of an operating system: software which exists for the purpose of doing your will in running the other software you have installed on your machine as transparently and for your sole benefit as possible. It is not the new definition of "operating system," software which exists for the purpose of serving advertisements to you, collection personal information about you and selling it to the highest bidder.

It runs Silent Hunter 4 and many Steam games as well as Windows does, and will do so on older equipment than Windows demands in order to perform its nefarious activities in addition to meeting enough of your needs so you will not ask the question: why am I putting up with this abuse? Aren't they supposed to be serving me, not I submitting to their ends?

I agree that you did not ask the question. But my answer is not for you. There will always be those who do not take the better alternative when given a choice. But denying the others the better alternative is not on my menu. Nor will it ever be. The world does not revolve around you. It does not know you exist.

Yes, Steed, starting in early 2015, GWX will automatically download Windows 10 on all computers which have not been protected properly (and some which have) and it will at least partially install Windows 10 without your approval. Microsoft assures that you will be given a choice to revert. It may work as well as the Windows XP to 7 migration software that screwed up both XP and 7, forcing you to do a clean install. I fear that reverting will be to a badly mauled Windows 7, 8 or 8.1.

Keep disk image backups on a separate external hard drive and do not keep it hooked to your system when you are not actually backing up or restoring. Do not trust Microsoft. They have a proven record of coercion, dishonesty and deceit here. Run GWX control panel weekly. Install Spybot Anti-beacon and blacklist all Microsoft telemetry servers. This is a heck of a party and we're the cake and ice cream.

Rockin Robbins 12-25-15 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2367546)
Is 32bit the answer against Win10?

A friend of mind has a Win7 32bit notepad and has had no issue what so ever with Win10 nagware and he asked others he works with and those who run 32bit no problem and those on 64bit yes Win10 nagware. I'm no expert but judging this survey of a small number of people a clear answer seems to be 32bit Win7/8 not one bit of bother. Any of you experts can throw more light on this? :hmm2:

According to ultimateoutsider.com, source of GWX Control Panel, GWX installs on both 32 and 64-bit systems. GWX is a true trojan horse, a program which sits in a hidden directory (that's because of how honest and forthright Microsoft is and they have your back!) hooked up the Microsoft servers and waits for instructions. It's a bot or robot trojan horse, the type that anti-malware programs and anti-virus programs traditionally hunted down and executed. the bot's instructions can even including updating GWX's code (it is a self-modifying bot--the most dangerous type) so it can be taught new functions not planned for before the invasion. So its behavior will vary from computer to computer. Some computers may receive instructions to download and install Windows 10 in January. Others may get the instructions in February or following months.

My wife's computer didn't start nagging her about installing Windows 10 until two months after mine. She kept telling me I was wrong and nothing had happened on her computer, I must have encountered some malware. Yes I did, from Microsoft. When I installed GWX Control Panel on her computer, there were 5 gigabytes of Windows 10 installation files taking up 1/3 of her free space. I killed GWX for her before it had issued a single nag. But it had already executed at least one payload (malware lingo for nefarious code bundles).

STEED 12-26-15 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2367546)

A friend of mind has a Win7 32bit notepad and has had no issue what so ever with Win10

I asked him to check certain MS KB No's, first up he told me he only updates the security KB's only and never the optional ones right from day 1. Well after going through the list I sent him about doggy Win7 KB's not one of them is on his Notepad, could be that he has a small hard drive as I recall some where up to 20GB?

Rockin Robbins 12-26-15 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2368804)
I asked him to check certain MS KB No's, first up he told me he only updates the security KB's only and never the optional ones right from day 1. Well after going through the list I sent him about doggy Win7 KB's not one of them is on his Notepad, could be that he has a small hard drive as I recall some where up to 20GB?

Sounds to me that he's been sensible since this whole Microsoft Malware business started. He might have not known about what was going on but he was wisely choosing updates.

But unless he installs GWX Control Panel quickly he will still be caught up in the auto download and install planned for the first quarter of 2016. Those updates will be marked critical security updates even though they will be nothing of the kind. They will be malware.

STEED 12-26-15 09:17 AM

2015 the year MS was pushy

2016 will be known as the year MS got ruthless

Rockin Robbins 12-27-15 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2368859)
2015 the year MS was pushy

2016 will be known as the year MS got ruthless

And it's totally unnecessary as their great successes with Windows XP and Windows 7 show. There was very little advertising with either of them. They cost about a hundred dollars. People recognized their excellence, sought the products out and bought them. Heck, I purchased two copies of XP and five of Win 7 Pro for new machines I built for myself and others.

Now they're "giving away" Windows 10 (but it's not free. Free choice seems to be forgotten) and fewer people have adopted it than had bought Windows 7 at this same time frame since introduction. Something is seriously broken at Microsoft.

They could be like Kmart, rotten from CEO all the way down to floor sweeper but even though it's dead they continue as a zombie. Or it could be like Oldsmobile---poof! Or they may buy several vowels and rebuild their company as a genuine service to mankind. I hope it's the latter but I'm sure not predicting that.

Rockin Robbins 12-27-15 07:23 AM

Latest word on December Patch Tuesday and subsequently released December patches. Woody says we're at MS-DEFCON 4: problems are well known and can be dealt with--patch away.

Do not install patches that are not checked by default. As Woody says:
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As always, use Windows Update, DON’T check any boxes that aren’t checked. Reboot immediately after patching. If you’re using Win7 or 8.1, run GWX Control Panel right after the update to get rid of any sneaky “Get Windows 10” nagware. Then, if privacy is important to you, follow Susan Bradley’s suggestions to turn off the Diagnostic Tracking Service. When you’re done, make sure Automatic Update is set to Notify but don’t download (see the tab at the top of this page).
Optional patches may include an nVidia patch. That one is fine. Go ahead and check the box. If you use Space Engine like I do that will break Space Engine until they update. Your planets will all become completely transparent! I compensated by buying Kerbal Space Program. Arrrrrr!:arrgh!:

wessex 12-27-15 07:43 PM

sh4 installation probs
 
ahoy shipmates,this old sea dog is having problems installing SH4 wolves of the pacific on to my hard drive..after I put the disc into the machine and follow installation instructions,it seems to go through the complete installation phase,and at the end,nothing game not installed,is this a windows 10 issue?I never had this problem with XP..any help or advise will be much appreciated..capt.wessex.
sorry if im in the wrong place for posting problems ;-)

Rockin Robbins 12-28-15 08:24 AM

Ho! old sea dog!
 
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Originally Posted by wessex (Post 2369161)
ahoy shipmates,this old sea dog is having problems installing SH4 wolves of the pacific on to my hard drive..after I put the disc into the machine and follow installation instructions,it seems to go through the complete installation phase,and at the end,nothing game not installed,is this a windows 10 issue?I never had this problem with XP..any help or advise will be much appreciated..capt.wessex.
sorry if im in the wrong place for posting problems ;-)

The main Silent Hunter 4 forum has a dedicated thread about installation into Windows 10. In addition to the advice applying tto Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 that you need to not install to the system protected directories, program files or program files x86, there is another adjustment you need to make to get SH4 to run. I don't know what the adjustment is because I will never run Windows 10. It's entirely possible that after Windows 7, the last true operating system ever produced by Microsoft, I will never use Windows again as my primary operating system.

As more and more games are made for Linux, Windows will become less and less necessary.

Already it is as easy, perhaps easier, to install SH4 in Linux as it is in Windows 10.

Buddahaid 12-29-15 02:44 AM

Sorry, I thought your answer was your win10 modified. Still, I don't see fighting win10 as being sustainable and only a delaying tactic at best. Linux may well be the best alternative but I find myself less interested in games now so that's not my concern. Learning Autodesk Fusion 360 is and that's just a hobby.

Skybird 12-29-15 08:43 AM

I beleive to just have learned that the activation concern regarding W7 and Microsoft maybe blocking it one near day, might be pointless, since activation codes can be worked around or the need to activate can be deactivated - I hope rleiably!? - or that existing activations and their certificates can be extracted and the codes noted on paper for later repeated use (it is not the code on the labels you find on boxes or DVDs by Microsoft, but a generated code stored in the deep dungeons of the system).

I do not want to translate and explain it all in English, since I just red it in German, but it should be no problem to find the info via google, it seems to be no big secret.

The HD-stored activation code I would red out, if I were you, right after having red this post. Just in case.

Buddhahaid,
as has been indicated many times now in this thread, as long as you do not desperately rely on gaming (you said you don't) and do not depend on software you need for professional purposes and that is available for Windows only, there is no pressing argument to jump to W10 now. You can stay with W7 for years to come, in this scenario.

If I ever need, for any purpose, to switch to W10, I will maintain two system then: one with W10 and an uncompüromised limitation of focus to the reason why I need to have it (and not one inch more), and a second one for anything else that will have nothing to do with Microsoft. Most likely one tower, and one laptop.

But i currently do not see the need to accept W10 for the forseeable number of coming years. If there come games depending on W10, I will pass on these.

And even if you do not have objections against W10, see it like this: W10 got released in a lousy state, way too early, and even their patches time and again cause hundreds of thousands of user, if not millions, problems and many hours of wasted time, time and again. Every year you delay switching to W10 is one year you safe time for something ore pleasant, save time that you do not get abused as a beta tester against your will and without your intention, and getting abused without Microsoft paying you for your involuntary participation in this experiment.

I also remind of the fact that already at the time of of the release of W8 it was said that the next OS by MS, back then still referred to as W9, would be the last OS MS is developing as an individual built, and that with W9 (aka W10) they would switch to a new policy to constantly upgrade and change that one OS then, not developing a new one. I predict that the problems there are now, will not significantly fade out over the years, since every time they implement something new that in the old times would have justified the development of a new OS version, they will instead release it to the existing W10 userbase. And with that you will get, time and again, to where you are with the existing problems today. You will get blotched upgrades. You will curse and and try to work around. You will waste hours and hours of your life working for MS - for free.

Thats why MS probably will get their will, and will get away with it - you guys, all of you, allow that.

But your anglican patience is nothing I admire, in this case. I have far more drastic and unpleasant adjectives on mind to describe it.A huge part of Windows updates and Microsoft product updates, are not security-relevant, but repair what is broken and unfinished or misdesigned. Plus many of these updates are broken in themselves. SINCE YEARS. Making lives of many users complicated over and over again. This should tell everybody what to think of the quality standard Microsoft software gets released in. Its garbange. Junk.

And you guys defend it. Draw your conclusions.

Rockin Robbins 12-29-15 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2369396)
Sorry, I thought your answer was your win10 modified. Still, I don't see fighting win10 as being sustainable and only a delaying tactic at best. Linux may well be the best alternative but I find myself less interested in games now so that's not my concern. Learning Autodesk Fusion 360 is and that's just a hobby.

No problem Buddahaid. I see sending Microsoft a message about what we will and what we will not tolerate is very important.

It is also important to highlight that Silent Hunter 4 runs just as well in Linux as it does in Windows. It even installs as easily and that is the Windows version (there is no other) running in WINE. It just installs and works flawlessly. Also Steam is migrating top games with native Linux adaptations that work identically with their Windows counterparts. Borderlands 2 and Kerbal Space Program, from my personal experience, are just as fast, just as reliable, just as good as their Windows counterparts.

Putting pressure on Microsoft by resisting Windows 10 (there are still at least five years of Windows 7 support remaining) and helping build Linux to a viable alternative will bring competitive pressures to Microsoft which either will goad them to realizing that their customers are the source of their income, not victims to be plundered, or Microsoft will have to die.

Competition is vital to making all participants more excellent. Rolling over to a monopoly is the way to mediocrity at best and at worst a total collapse of much-loved and needed products. Pressure applied to Microsoft is the only way to punch through the corporate bean-counter, ivory tower think and making them consider the source of their prosperity. That would be us. We get what we ask for.


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