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HundertzehnGustav 04-07-13 05:40 AM

the only infographic you need on guns , the only stats worth mentioning, is still the red texas map of gun owners.

at least that was honest and damned funny.:yeah:

Ducimus 04-07-13 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2037563)
Oh yeah also that its the thin edge of the wedge to remove all 2nd ammendment rights to all firearms from all muricans except govmint approved ones like cops and army.:roll:

If you don't believe our civil liberties and the bill of rights has been steadily infringed upon and are at dire risk, you'd be mistaken.

TarJak 04-07-13 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 2037571)
If you don't believe our civil liberties and the bill of rights has been steadily infringed upon and are at dire risk, you'd be mistaken.

I'm searching for where I made such a statement. Nope can't find that anywhere.

Tribesman 04-07-13 05:57 AM

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As for those of you who have commented on it in negative ways, i suggest you read this to get an idea of how the original infograph in post 1 was compiled.
Yes it includes Kleck and Gertz, which is a joke of a study if ever there was one.

AndyJWest 04-07-13 10:19 AM

Note also that the data for the 'Gun Ownership' and 'Gun Murder Rate' doesn't actually come from the source claimed - see http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/filea...rch-Note-9.pdf and compare the table on page 2 with the 'Gun Ownership' table. Completely different data...

Platapus 04-07-13 10:27 AM

Just a tiny nit to pick, but the 44 auto mag did not shoot the .44 mag cartridge, but a special .44amp cartridge. The two were not interchangeable.

The key difference was that one was a rimless cartridge and the other was not.

Kptlt. Neuerburg 04-07-13 10:40 AM

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
“First get the facts, you can distort them later”
― Mark Twain

yubba 04-07-13 11:28 AM

this might help
 
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/php/gal.../856/61/61.jpg
Have you checked your savings or your retirement, account lately, I bet the government has,,...and that could be a fact,,Jack..For the continueance of government,, that has a pretty good ring to it don't you think. Someone said that all rights were not absolute under the constitution,,and I then retorted,, then I guess,, your right to life isn't absolute is it,, he couldn't get back to me. You have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, what good are these words if you can't protect your self.

TLAM Strike 04-07-13 12:03 PM

This is the only info-graphic you need:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1...7x71rrov60.jpg


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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 2037664)
Someone said that all rights were not absolute under the constitution,,and I then retorted,, then I guess,, your right to life isn't absolute is it,, he couldn't get back to me. You have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, what good are these words if you can't protect your self.

Point of interest: "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are not in the Constitution. It is from the Declaration of Independence.

Oberon 04-07-13 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 2037685)
This is the only info-graphic you need:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1...7x71rrov60.jpg

Lance Corporal Charles Whitman of the USMC, who saved a fellow marine by single-handedly lifting a jeep. Honorably discharged from the USMC, he lived an ordinary life, he was close to his mother, who was undergoing a divorce from her abusive husband, and suffered from severe headaches, resorting to the use of aphetamines to try to dull the pain.
A perfectly normal person, who one day decided to murder his wife and mother, and then take to a tower and snipe his way through 46 people.
His autopsy found a tumour in his brain which may have been responsible for some of his behaviour, but otherwise it remains a mystery how a clever, talented Marine who loved his mother and wife, would suddenly choose to kill both of them and then attack innocent bystanders. Not even Whitman could understand it.

So...how do you stop that? Arrest everyone who used to be a Marine? Or arrest everyone with an IQ over 130? Everyone with a tumour? :hmmm:

Tribesman 04-07-13 12:35 PM

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Lance Corporal Charles Whitman of the USMC
What is it yubba says ? once a marine always a marine oooh-ahhh

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Point of interest: "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are not in the Constitution.
Don't ya just love it when "constitutionalist" fanatics show they don't know what they are fanatic about

raymond6751 04-07-13 12:35 PM

Yeah but...
 
The other day the news report was that over 3000 Americans had been killed by gun violence since the elementary school shooting just weeks before. You have to question all stats presented, by anybody.

Why not simply increase the penalties for using guns in crime? How about an automatic 20 year/no-parole addition to any sentence when a gun was involved in committing any crime?

Remove the ability to get parole for gun murders, life - hard labor.

You can't get the guns off the streets now. You can make folks really aware of the cost of using them.

TLAM Strike 04-07-13 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2037690)
Lance Corporal Charles Whitman of the USMC, who saved a fellow marine by single-handedly lifting a jeep. Honorably discharged from the USMC, he lived an ordinary life, he was close to his mother, who was undergoing a divorce from her abusive husband, and suffered from severe headaches, resorting to the use of aphetamines to try to dull the pain.
A perfectly normal person, who one day decided to murder his wife and mother, and then take to a tower and snipe his way through 46 people.
His autopsy found a tumour in his brain which may have been responsible for some of his behaviour, but otherwise it remains a mystery how a clever, talented Marine who loved his mother and wife, would suddenly choose to kill both of them and then attack innocent bystanders. Not even Whitman could understand it.

So...how do you stop that? Arrest everyone who used to be a Marine? Or arrest everyone with an IQ over 130? Everyone with a tumour? :hmmm:

He didn't just drop everything one day and shoot a bunch of people, you cut out an entire month between the time he visited psychiatrist Dr. Maurice Heatly and the murders.

From his July 31st suicide note referencing his March 29 visit to the University of Texas Health Center:
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However, lately (I can't recall when it started) I have been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts. These thoughts constantly recur and it requires a tremendous mental effort to concentrate on useful and progressive tasks. In March when my parents made a physical break I noticed a great deal of stress. I consulted a Dr. Cochrum at the University Health Center and asked him to recommend someone that I could consult with about some psychiatric disorders I felt I had. I talked with a Doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come overwhelming violent impulses. After one session I never saw the Doctor again, and since then I have been fighting my mental turmoil alone, and seemingly to no avail.
A full month before he killed a Doctor knew what he was planning but couldn't or wouldn't do anything.

From Dr. Maurice Heatly notes:

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He readily admits having overwhelming periods of hostility with a very minimum of provocation. Repeated inquiries attempting to analyze his exact experiences were not too successful with the exception of his vivid references to “thinking about going up on the tower with a deer rifle and start shooting people”.
Dr. Heatly told him to make an appointment for next week or to stop by to talk at any time. That never happened, not the following week or the next two weeks after.

There is also evidence that Whitman was abusing drugs like the amphetamine Dexedrine and over the counter pain killers in the months leading to the shooting.

While a tumor may have cause Whitman's murders there were warning signs in the month(s) leading up to it.

yubba 04-07-13 01:30 PM

From the mouths of babes
 
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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 2037685)
This is the only info-graphic you need:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1...7x71rrov60.jpg



Point of interest: "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are not in the Constitution. It is from the Declaration of Independence.

Give that guy a cookie, so who gave us those rights ????? While you ponder that here's something to look at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1AMYHHAXhI

yubba 04-07-13 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2037694)
What is it yubba says ? once a marine always a marine oooh-ahhh


Don't ya just love it when "constitutionalist" fanatics show they don't know what they are fanatic about

,, You forgot one,, how about Timmy Mc Vay
Gee, that's not even a drop in the bucket compared to what Stalin did, or do you remeber that guy named, Hitler,... I got my Honorable,, what's your claim to fame, you seem to have alot to say,, what have you done for your country or for anybody else as of late besides being a bully.


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