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Jimbuna 11-03-08 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder
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You've always got next season to look forward to kranz.

I reckon LH will only benefit from the experience and get quicker.

Should be an interesting period in the world of F1.

I'm not so sure about that. What people don't seem to realize is that LH got owned by Vettel. This guy drives a Torro Rosso and I really don't think LH let him pass voluntarily and almost loosing the championship.
I wish Vettel gets a Ferrari or McLaren soon.:yep:

The equipment a driver has is vitally important....but so are the skills needed to operate said equipment effectively.

At 23, LH is now set to become the first UK sporting billionaire http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/img231...shockedvi8.gif

VipertheSniper 11-03-08 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
You've always got next season to look forward to kranz.

I reckon LH will only benefit from the experience and get quicker.

Should be an interesting period in the world of F1.

I'm not so sure about that. What people don't seem to realize is that LH got owned by Vettel. This guy drives a Torro Rosso and I really don't think LH let him pass voluntarily and almost loosing the championship.
I wish Vettel gets a Ferrari or McLaren soon.:yep:

I just hope the Red Bull car he drives next year will be better than this years Red Bull. Although it could well be that the performance of the Red Bulls is more of a driver issue than anything else.

I'm really eager to see next years championship, Alonso is getting the Renault back up to pace, Massa and Raikkonen are both strong contenders for the title, Lewis will be too and also Kubica and Vettel might have chances as well, this could get even more interesting at the end of the season than this year.

Hitman 11-03-08 03:09 PM

One of the things I like about LH becoming finally champion is that I have a gut feeling that this will change his attitude....let me explain that: Alonso became arrogant when he won his first championship, but before that he was rather shy and modest. When he became champion he started thinking that he was really great and could say many things he said, teasing Schumacher and Ferrari (For both of whom he should have had more respect). But Lewis is probably the opposite case: He was arrigant and petulant probably because he is very hot and sanguine inside and he was very good, but had yet to proove it. From what I know about LH personal life, he seems to have been continuously obsessed with the need to proof himself and proove to others what he was capable of. But now that he has the "champion" label (And also the youngest in history) and that he can speak tet-a-tet to all other champions, I think he will relax and abandon a lot of his arrogance. Simply because he doesn't need to act as challenger any more.

I could of course be wrong, and becoming champion could be worser for his character, but I really really think that should not be the case. And it will certainly be a much wellcomed change, as LH has done few friends and a lot of enemies in the grid, and the sport doesn't need that at all. Rivalry is good, animosity not.

Here goes my vote of confidence to that change....let's wait and see :up:

kranz 11-03-08 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
But Lewis is probably the opposite case: He was arrigant and petulant probably because he is very hot and sanguine inside and he was very good, but had yet to proove it. From what I know about LH personal life, he seems to have been continuously obsessed with the need to proof himself and proove to others what he was capable of. But now that he has the "champion" label (And also the youngest in history) and that he can speak tet-a-tet to all other champions, I think he will relax and abandon a lot of his arrogance. Simply because he doesn't need to act as challenger any more.

+1. Well said. According to what I've read Glock was 20 seconds slower on his last lap than the previous although it was raining for 10 last laps. That is why XabbaRus has shown only the last lap. Tomorrow I will start my orivate investigation proving what was written somewhere here: http://www.iht.com/pages/sports/index.php
(that glock bet a big amount on l.h title)After I solve this riddle I will come here and ashame most of you(or sth like that)

Fincuan 11-03-08 03:32 PM

Maybe they've bought Trulli too, since his last lap was a whopping 69 milliseconds faster than Glock's :yep:

stabiz 11-03-08 05:39 PM

Yeah, its pathetic. Toyota, one of - if not THE - richest team in F1, being bought to help Mercedes.:doh: You have to be very red to actually believe that.

I hoped Massa would win it, simply because I like him slightly more than Hamilton, but in the end Lewis Carl Hamilton scored more points and deserves the championship. Well done in his second year. Now we will see if he will be a Villeneuve or a Senna/Schumi.

Oh, and I think Alonso would have won it in a good car. He actually outscored everyone the last 9 races. True, the Renault has been developed but its still no Mclaren or Ferrari.

XabbaRus 11-04-08 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz
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Originally Posted by Hitman
But Lewis is probably the opposite case: He was arrigant and petulant probably because he is very hot and sanguine inside and he was very good, but had yet to proove it. From what I know about LH personal life, he seems to have been continuously obsessed with the need to proof himself and proove to others what he was capable of. But now that he has the "champion" label (And also the youngest in history) and that he can speak tet-a-tet to all other champions, I think he will relax and abandon a lot of his arrogance. Simply because he doesn't need to act as challenger any more.

+1. Well said. According to what I've read Glock was 20 seconds slower on his last lap than the previous although it was raining for 10 last laps. That is why XabbaRus has shown only the last lap. Tomorrow I will start my orivate investigation proving what was written somewhere here: http://www.iht.com/pages/sports/index.php
(that glock bet a big amount on l.h title)After I solve this riddle I will come here and ashame most of you(or sth like that)

You really are pathetic.

It wasn't raining for the last ten laps, it was spotting, it started getting heavier 6 laps to the end. LH came in as did Massa, probably they could have stayed out longer but chose not to. It was in the last two laps the rain came a lot heavier.

I only gave the timing for the last lap as that is what I have, not because I'm trying to hide anything.

As for your investigation, are you going to publish it? Better get a good lawyer.

Jimbuna 11-04-08 08:06 AM

This is really warming up and fast approaching the 'pee or get off the pot' stage.

looking forward to the detailed none too subjective evidence.....should it ever appear.

LH 2008 Champion........fair and square.

Hitman 11-04-08 09:28 AM

About the Glock incident, my two cents: Glock was already angry with Lewis for pushing him out of the track some races ago. He had also made comments about what he would do, come the same situation to happen inversely: He would push LH out.

Glock would have been one of the happiest men in the world if he had been able to block effectively Hamilton's race for the title. If he didn't, it's because his car was so much slower than Lewis one, that he would have been handed -and very much deservedly- a huge penalty for unfair sportsmanship and interfering unjustificatedly in the championship struggle.

Dowly 11-04-08 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
About the Glock incident, my two cents: Glock was already angry with Lewis for pushing him out of the track some races ago. He had also made comments about what he would do, come the same situation to happen inversely: He would push LH out.

Glock would have been one of the happiest men in the world if he had been able to block effectively Hamilton's race for the title. If he didn't, it's because his car was so much slower than Lewis one, that he would have been handed -and very much deservedly- a huge penalty for unfair sportsmanship and interfering unjustificatedly in the championship struggle.

I recall Glock saying he wasnt aware of the situation, not knowing how much he was affecting the outcome of the driver's championship.

kranz 11-05-08 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

You really are pathetic.

if you say so...

Back to F1: the chart you've presented actually prooves what could be seen during the race and works in favour of my arguments that Glock was drastically slow. Without 3rd sector times of at least 6-10 laps we can say nothing.
Actually I've never said that Toyota got any money from mercedes.
The driver that was so praised here so much that some of you nearly peed their pants got 5 wins: Massa(who was meant to be not so good as L.H, the master of wet track) got 6 wins(and had a chance to get AT LEAST two more but failed due to various factors i.e Nelson jr). L.H just won by 1 tiny little point and great favour that will never be revealed.

badhat17 11-05-08 01:52 AM

Glock:
Lap 66 1:17.992
Lap 67 1:18.897
Lap 68 1:18.816
Lap 69 1:18.688
Lap 70 1:28.041
Lap 71 1:44.731

Trulli:
Lap 66 1:19.113
Lap 67 1:20.528
Lap 68 1:20.188
Lap 69 1:22.428
Lap 70 1:33.539
Lap 71 1:44.800

By electing to stay out on dry tyres Timo was able to move from 7th up to 6th so the gamble worked out for him. As can be seen from his lap times, when compared with his team mate who also stayed out on dry tyres, he was trying all the way. Race drivers have a habit of doing that.
The times drop away significantly simply due to the track condition as it became wet which would have then dropped the tyre out of it's operating window with regard to temperature.
I would not waste any time looking for a conspiracy which is not there.

XabbaRus 11-05-08 03:47 AM

There you go....but I feel we are debating with someone so convinced we should give up now.

Jimbuna 11-05-08 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus
There you go....but I feel we are debating with someone so convinced we should give up now.

Agreed.....especially when reading the last posts from Hitman and badhat17.

Konovalov 11-05-08 08:00 AM

Bit late of me here on this topic. :oops: Still recovering from McLaren and Lewis almost managing to loose the champ again. But what an exciting finnish to the season. :rock:

Congrats to Lewis. :up: He absolutely deserves the Champ this year. :yep: I also felt that he was both humble and fair in his victory which has gone some way to me changing my opinion of his personal character. I never questioned his driving talents which are without question. If he has the car under him he could win half a dozen Champs during his career.

My hat off to Massa too for dealing with defeat so well.

With regards to the Glock theories all that talk is just a load of utter crud and stinks of sore loser syndrome. :down:

Bring on season 2009 boys. :smug:


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