Excellent post.

We in The Fight is over No more DRM
 

Nope you heard it right no more DRM
UBI has has decided do to an out cry from the gaming community's it will go into Operation BS (Bait and Switch! AKA Bull ****):woot:

UBI Will discontinue DRM and move into using the more hip initials of OPS:har:

and what does OPS do???? The same damn thing!:stare:

I honestly feel as though my intelligence has really been insulted.:down:

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I travel a lot on business, but I have always had fast gaming notebooks with which I use to play wherever I am. However, I don't typically have internet everywhere, and surely not fast connections.

I was really happy to hear about the new damage model and, most of all, wolfpacks. Seems to promise a deeper simulation aspect and historically accuracy, finally! A step forward from the brilliant SH3&GWX.
I wasn't too happy that they not have a complete campaign to 1945 as well as just one sub -- kind of a step back; the new graphics and the role playing feature dont add to the simulation part for me. But the wolfpack defintely convinced me that it could be a good compromise.

I hope they won't have the new copy protection, otherwise it is not an option for me. I guess they have earned enough money from me anyways -- time to assist the competitors a bit! To bad that they continue making the mistake that so many companies have started to reverse now, also in music industry.

"Possibly a former" customer.

Aslong as i cannot play the game whenever i want, and under any circumstances, online/offline, on earth/the moon. I wouldnt really consider it to be a game i buy, but i game i rent.. If i buy a movie it will cost alot more than renting one at my local store. So, games sells for 10euro, ill get it.. 50. No way. This is just another really stupid (and most probably useless) way to stop piracy. When are they gonna get it? most ppl who get piracy games wont buy the games anyway. I think the majority just downloads it because its something new and shiny. Fiddle with it for and hour or so to never look at it again..

Next thing would be monthly subscriptions to keep the auth servers up and running..

I might get SH5 a bunch of weeks after release in a sales bin at one of those "We sell all the crap you never knew you needed" stores, next to the PS1 games. Where i personally think its going to end up rather quick..

My 2 cents

I'm just going to wait and see what is actually in the box before I worry about any DRM scheme.

Cheers:salute:

I couldn't have said it better than Jack. And I was astonished at the number of posters that assume everybody in the world has a magic connection to the Internet that's wider than a supertanker and always works. According to Trenken, I'm some 'special case' by not having 24/7 plugin. At least 3 times a week I spend 24 hours at work away from an Internet connection. Nobody else is like that? Just about 296,000 others in the US alone. And all those business folks on trips? Screw them, too.

I own and play one MMO game. I fully understand why I need to be connected to play that game. I play one flight sim and 2 sub sims. Why should those single-player games require constant contact with anyone else?

But hey, now I get spare money to spend on somebody else's game...

You're a special situation though, you're travelling on business and playing on your laptop in hotels. Safe to say you're way down in the minority there.

Fact is most PC gamers these days have PCs that are always connected to the internet on broadband, so games are being made for them now.

I dont have some killer connection, standard issue broadband cable you can get in almost every town, and if that can handle an MMO, Im pretty sure I can play SH5 while my girlfriend streams a netflix movie through the internet with no problems.

Hell, she's done that while im playing guild wars. It sounds like you guys are stuck in 1996 where games just died if you tried to launch even just a web browser. Its just not like that anymore. I know a lot of PC gamers, all of them are on the internet 24/7, Ubi is well aware of this.

You keep harping on the broadband issue. ANY hiccup either in your connection (my MMOG experience is filled with these---as are those of every ww2ol player) ends your game. Have the ubi forums ever been slow or out? Hmmm, yes. Part of subsiums popularity is likely the fact that the ubi forums are amazingly screwy. I remember trying online using the built-in stuff in il-2... ubi again, very flakey. Hence everyone uses HL instead. Any one of these problems ends your game now.

Streaming updates? No modding. No modding AND THE GAME IS NOT WORTH PLAYING.

Read that again, the SH games have not been worth playing regardless of DRM until modded. Not "not as good," but not worth playing. At all (unless you are a twitch gamer who doesn't care in the least about realism).

None of this of course addresses the REASON for this DRM technique. The reason is piracy and the presumption of lost dollars. The reality is that thieves won't pay for it. They'll either crack it and play for free, or not play and not pay.

ANY customers lost due to this are a net revenue loss as a result. Or do you expect deadbeats who pirate stuff to suddenly decide it's worth $50?

The bottom line is (and don't kid yourselves, the bottom line is all Ubi will look at) is that yeah, 300 - 400 ppl from Subsim may pass on it because of this. But with the new distro methods like Steam you have it adverised as ready to go to millions of people every day. They WILL gain numbers over SHIV because of this.

Have any of you ever played a non Steam game that was later added to Steam? I have with a couple and going by online players the number shot up fourfold.. and we know most players don't go online.

Sure they will lose some of the dedicated old people, but will gain thousands of people who say "Oh what's this, I'll try it" on Steam. SHV will outsell SHIV. A new players money smells just as good as a Salty Old Dog's and Ubi will be pleased with themselves.

If you are angry because you have a poor connection, I feel for ya. If you are just trying to make a moral stand... good luck with that.. Ubi is laughing all the way to the bank.

well you have your opinion and many here are of a different opinion but only time will tell.


UBI will be at the bank one way or the other and weather they are making a deposit or needing a loan will probaly have nothing to do with this game but you are fooling yourself to assume such small numbers of sales will be lost over this and i dont see FPS crowd loving a slow action strategy game to make up for all those lost sales.

Give up tater!:yep: Some here are of the opinion that if you are in the minority of people, say 20%, with bad internet connections, "who cares, bad luck, tough break!! I have a good connection and that is all that counts!!"
So forget it, with them it's all about "Me Me Me"!:-?

You know, everywhere on the internet that I've read news about Ubi's scheme here, all of the user comments have been overwhelmingly negative. Your attitude is such that you think we're the people living in the dark ages and like totally get with the program, maaaan. Unfortunately for Ubi, it's not just us and they're about to find out that customers aren't going to buy into this. And unlike your "oh it's the way it is, why fight it" attitude, I predict a customer backlash like we're already seeing is going to lead to this hair-brained scheme being dropped at some point.

Actually I said that I feel for the guys with bad connections and I meant it. You guys have a right to bitch, I am just saying people doing it for a moral stand have no hope because the bean counters will have more beans to count.

I know you guys in Aus have it bad. I have friends with "broadband" from BigPond that is little better then dial up.

I personally don't care, even if I bought SH 5 I'd not play it. Really. I have the u-boats add-on but I've never seen a SH u-boat on my computer. Not once, I have less than zero interest in u-boats unless I'm given the opportunity to sink them.

My connection flaking out doesn't matter (I don't know anyone in ww2ol who hasn't had the odd CTHL, BTW, and I've been playing for over 9 years).

From a bottom line standpoint you may be right. The quality doesn't matter because by the time the customer tries the game it's too late, they've paid, so it doesn't matter if the modders all take a powder.

All moot when it gets cracked anyway, lol.

@ Highbury, I wasn't actually targeting you, but I will add that I don't mind Steam for anyone who wants to play online, I just don't like the idea of having to login to a company to play offline, the game purchased for near AU $100 is only good if you can login and only until support for the game is dropped, then you can't play anymore, would be good if a patch came out, even after several months to ensure that I can play offline for as long as I want, I still play SH3, near 8 years later, I bet SH5 can't be played when it's that old, unless a patch comes out of course!:cry: