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Dargo 07-04-22 01:00 PM

The cost of rebuilding Ukraine could reach $750 billion (€719 million), according to Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal. According to him, Russia should pay for the costs once the war ends. He suggests using the confiscated money from the Russian government and Russian oligarchs to repair the devastation. Shmyhal estimates that a total of some $300 billion to $500 billion in Russian money has been seized.

British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss also said today that Russia should pay for the reconstruction. "We are looking at options for the deployment of Russian resources," she said at a conference in the Swiss city of Lugano.

Ukraine's prime minister said the reconstruction plan for his country is divided into three phases. First comes the restoration of facilities that people acutely need such as running water. After that, schools and hospitals must be repaired and temporary housing must be provided. The final phase of reconstruction focuses on the longer term.

Catfish 07-04-22 01:38 PM

^ all good and well, but is the war supposed to be stopped anytime soon?

As some poster wrote:
"Its becoming quite clear Ukraine is not getting the weapons it needs, in the quantities it needs to stop and even push Russia back because western leaders don't want them to get them. [...]

Its time to call bull**** on the western elite. Yes it takes years to train and develop a really effective first line soldier, but still 6 weeks of intensive training can still go a long way with highly motivated recruits.

Over and over again we hear how pathetic the Russian armed forces are. Over and over again we hear, "Ha, Ha, Ha, the Russian soldiers don't want to fight" "Ha, ha, ha, virtually all the Russian infantry have been killed and they didn't have anywhere near enough infantry to begin with." "Ha, ha, Ha, the Russians are running out of ammunition." "Ha, ha, ha the Russians are having to resort to bringing 1960s vehicles out of storage." "Ha, Ha, Ha the Russian Navy are pathetic." "Ha, ha, ha, the Russian airforce is pathetic." "Ha, ha, ha the Russian generals are pathetically incompetent." "Ha, ha, ha, the Russian army hasn't got any proper NCOs"

Well my words to the western leaders are if the Russians are so pathetic, what does that make you? Why have you failed to stop Russia, let alone push it back?"


Not only Scholz makes me vomit.

Dargo 07-04-22 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2816799)
^ all good and well, but is the war supposed to be stopped anytime soon?

As some poster wrote:
"Its becoming quite clear Ukraine is not getting the weapons it needs, in the quantities it needs to stop and even push Russia back because western leaders don't want them to get them. [...]

Its time to call bull**** on the western elite. Yes it takes years to train and develop a really effective first line soldier, but still 6 weeks of intensive training can still go a long way with highly motivated recruits.

Over and over again we hear how pathetic the Russian armed forces are. Over and over again we hear, "Ha, Ha, Ha, the Russian soldiers don't want to fight" "Ha, ha, ha, virtually all the Russian infantry have been killed and they didn't have anywhere near enough infantry to begin with." "Ha, ha, Ha, the Russians are running out of ammunition." "Ha, ha, ha the Russians are having to resort to bringing 1960s vehicles out of storage." "Ha, Ha, Ha the Russian Navy are pathetic." "Ha, ha, ha, the Russian airforce is pathetic." "Ha, ha, ha the Russian generals are pathetically incompetent." "Ha, ha, ha, the Russian army hasn't got any proper NCOs"

Well my words to the western leaders are if the Russians are so pathetic, what does that make you? Why have you failed to stop Russia, let alone push it back?"


Not only Scholz makes me vomit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2816704)
Is the West really prepared to pay the price of defeating Putin?
For Ukraine to win against Russia, western powers still have to answer painful questions of themselves... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...67c05bfe2fcd32

NATO is not truly united. It is precisely to avoid making this obvious that it has hung back from making any clear statement on the shape of victory... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...67c05bfe2fcd32

Catfish 07-04-22 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2816807)
NATO is not truly united. It is precisely to avoid making this obvious that it has hung back from making any clear statement on the shape of victory.

And this is why Ukraine will probably lose.

mapuc 07-04-22 04:23 PM

The only countries who is helping Ukraine wholehearted is USA and some eastern countries like, Poland, Slovakia and Romania.

Denmark, Sweden and Norway does send help mostly money and some military stuff.

Markus

Reece 07-04-22 07:02 PM

You forgot England and us here in Australia as much as we can, we are not a wealthy nation and the flood damage bills have been bad!! :oops:

Jimbuna 07-05-22 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2816816)
The only countries who is helping Ukraine wholehearted is USA and some eastern countries like, Poland, Slovakia and Romania.

Denmark, Sweden and Norway does send help mostly money and some military stuff.

Markus

Are you sure about that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece (Post 2816824)
You forgot England and us here in Australia as much as we can, we are not a wealthy nation and the flood damage bills have been bad!! :oops:

Precisely :yep:

In military terms.

https://i.postimg.cc/pr4v7M17/125704...4c7867b9-1.jpg

In financial terms.

https://www.devex.com/news/funding-t...ukraine-102887

Jimbuna 07-05-22 12:02 PM

The cities of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk came under shelling overnight in the eastern Donetsk region, its governor Pavlo Kyrylenko told Ukrainian TV. At least two people were killed and seven more were wounded after a market was struck in Sloviansk, local police said.

Russian-backed separatists have seized two foreign-flagged ships in the eastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol, saying they are now "state property", in the first such moves against commercial shipping, letters seen by Reuters showed.

An official from Russia's powerful FSB security services has taken over the government of the Moscow-occupied Kherson region in southern Ukraine, Kremlin-installed authorities said.

Arbitrary detention of civilians has become "widespread" in parts of Ukraine held by Russia's military and affiliated armed groups, the UN human rights chief said.

Sweden has left the door open to alleged terror suspects being extradited to Turkey in order to secure its support for a bid to join Nato.

Religion is "collateral damage" in Russia's invasion of Ukraine as she also called out the persecution of religious minorities in China and Afghanistan, UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said.

Russia claimed that some of the weapons the West is sending to Ukraine are spreading across the Middle East and ending up on the black market.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said that conscripts are not being sent to Ukraine to fight in Russia's "special military operation", the Russian state news agency TASS reported.

Jimbuna 07-05-22 12:08 PM

Russian parliament passes first vote on war economy measures

LONDON (Reuters) -Russian lawmakers on Tuesday gave the first stamp of approval to two bills that would authorise the government to oblige businesses to supply the military with goods and their employees to work overtime to support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told parliament the moves were driven by the need to support the military at a time when Russia's economy was under "colossal sanctions pressure" from the West, more than four months into what it calls its special military operation in Ukraine.

"The load on the defence industry has increased significantly. In order to guarantee the supply of weapons and ammunition, it is necessary to optimize the work of the military-industrial complex and enterprises that are part of cooperation chains," he said.

One of the bills -- approved in a first reading by the State Duma, the lower house of parliament -- said the state could impose "special economic measures" during military operations, requiring firms to supply goods and services to the military at the demand of the Russian government.

An explanatory note attached to the bill said the military needed new materials and weapons repairs to pursue its Ukraine campaign.

"The need to promptly meet these requirements, especially in the context of sanctions against Russia and Russian legal entities, will require us to temporarily focus our efforts on certain sectors of the economy (...) and organise the supply of resources through state defence procurement," the note said.

A second bill, also adopted in its first reading, would amend the labour code to grant the government the right to regulate working hours and determine off-days at given companies.

This could mean the government could compel employees of businesses providing goods to the military to work at night, on weekends and holidays, and without annual leave.

Both bills were introduced to the State Duma by the Russian government. They still need to undergo second and third readings, be reviewed by the upper house of parliament and be signed by President Vladimir Putin to become law.

mapuc 07-05-22 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2816866)
Are you sure about that?



Precisely :yep:

In military terms.

https://i.postimg.cc/pr4v7M17/125704...4c7867b9-1.jpg

In financial terms.

https://www.devex.com/news/funding-t...ukraine-102887

I stand corrected-But which of these countries send most military stuff and not just economical support.

Markus

Jimbuna 07-05-22 12:32 PM

The picture above is with regards to military and the link below that is the financial details.

mapuc 07-05-22 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2816894)
The picture above is with regards to military and the link below that is the financial details.

I may be in need of glasses :oops::oops:

Markus

Jimbuna 07-05-22 12:41 PM

No problem Markus but I was beginning to wonder what was confusing :)

Jimbuna 07-06-22 10:36 AM

Civilians flee frontline city as Russians advance

Residents have been told to leave Ukraine's eastern city of Slovyansk, a day after two people were killed in a Russian attack on a market.

Civilians boarded minibuses on Wednesday morning as Russian forces advanced from the north and east.

UK defence intelligence said there was a "realistic possibility" the battle for Slovyansk would be the next key contest in the struggle for the Donbas.

Russian forces were likely to be 16km (10 miles) north of the city, it said.

Donetsk governor Pavlo Kyrylenko said the Russians had turned the entire Donetsk region into a hotspot where it was dangerous for a civilian to remain. "I call on everyone to evacuate, evacuation saves lives," he said on his social media feed.

Russia switched its focus to Ukraine's eastern Donbas region in March, after a failed bid to capture the capital Kyiv. It has taken control of Luhansk region, to the north and east of Slovyansk, and has now pushed on to the rest of Donetsk. The industrial Donbas embraces Donetsk and Luhansk.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62061695

Jimbuna 07-06-22 10:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXFJJt8cXc


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