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Rockstar 01-05-23 11:57 PM

Either that we get more of this

https://i.ibb.co/3NffZSk/1-CAFA04-C-...A327-D6-E6.jpg

Buddahaid 01-06-23 12:08 AM

:up::har::har:

Buddahaid 01-06-23 01:07 AM

Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants? They can't get anywhere close to offering an alternative to McCarthy and yet they won't accept him so no speaker.

One view I've encountered is they are just jockeying for power in the vacuum left by Trump's departure leaving them with nobody to back, not having any policy to fall back on, and hoping to maneuver themselves into more senior roles come 2024.

Ostfriese 01-06-23 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2846074)
Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants? They can't get anywhere close to offering an alternative to McCarthy and yet they won't accept him so no speaker.


I don't think they have any idea about what they want themselves, and certainly not anything they agree on.
They oppose, they are against it because "being against something" is basically everything they are capable of. Producing chaos is much simpler than producing order.
If they wanted something productive, a true goal to achieve, they'd have to put thoughts and consideration into it, they'd have to convice others, and that would drive away the simple minds that voted for them.

Buddahaid 01-06-23 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2846081)
I don't think they have any idea about what they want themselves, and certainly not anything they agree on.
They oppose, they are against it because "being against something" is basically everything they are capable of. Producing chaos is much simpler than producing order.
If they wanted something productive, a true goal to achieve, they'd have to put thoughts and consideration into it, they'd have to convice others, and that would drive away the simple minds that voted for them.

In other words, the Freedom Caucus doesn't have any policy to offer.

Ostfriese 01-06-23 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2846084)
In other words, the Freedom Caucus doesn't have any policy to offer.


That's my impression, yes.

u crank 01-06-23 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2846084)
In other words, the Freedom Caucus doesn't have any policy to offer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2846074)
Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2846081)
I don't think they have any idea about what they want themselves, and certainly not anything they agree on.

It is remarkable that in this day and age people lack the ability to find out basic facts about anything.

Took me 30 seconds to find this via Google.

https://perry.house.gov/uploadedfile..._7.25.2022.pdf

Dowly 01-06-23 06:52 AM

"What have we become as a political party when 20 people can rule 200 others against their will. Certainly not conservative."
https://twitter.com/SenKevinCramer/s...C-9YqO0NosAAAA


Now, repeat that slowly in your head. :D

u crank 01-06-23 07:20 AM

https://i.ibb.co/VvzD94X/shawn.jpg

Ostfriese 01-06-23 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2846098)
It is remarkable that in this day and age people lack the ability to find out basic facts about anything.

Took me 30 seconds to find this via Google.

https://perry.house.gov/uploadedfile..._7.25.2022.pdf


That would be an acceptable answer if yesterday hadn't happened. McCarthy basically conceded everything the Freedom Caucus demanded from him, and still they didn't vote for him.

u crank 01-06-23 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2846127)
That would be an acceptable answer if yesterday hadn't happened. McCarthy basically conceded everything the Freedom Caucus demanded from him, and still they didn't vote for him.

Hmm, here's a thought. Did it ever occur to you that they don't want Kevin McCarthy as speaker? And that their demands are a way of getting him to drop out of the race? It seems pretty obvious to me and considering the fact that they are on record saying just that seems to back up that idea.

Ostfriese 01-06-23 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2846132)
Hmm, here's a thought. Did it ever occur to you that they don't want Kevin McCarthy as speaker? And that their demands are a way of getting him to drop out of the race? It seems pretty obvious to me and considering the fact that they are on record saying just that seems to back up that idea.


Who do they want instead? If they had a clear idea about this they would have voted for the same person in every round, but they haven't. They oppose McCarthy for the sake of opposition.

In other words: there's a difference between "we don't want Kevin" and "we want XY, not Kevin".

u crank 01-06-23 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2846138)
Who do they want instead? If they had a clear idea about this they would have voted for the same person in every round, but they haven't. They oppose McCarthy for the sake of opposition.

In other words: there's a difference between "we don't want Kevin" and "we want XY, not Kevin".

You are right. As of now there isn't another viable candidate. What I wonder is if you realize why they don't want him? And it isn't just for the sake of opposition.

Buddahaid 01-06-23 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2846098)
It is remarkable that in this day and age people lack the ability to find out basic facts about anything.

Took me 30 seconds to find this via Google.

https://perry.house.gov/uploadedfile..._7.25.2022.pdf

What you found is pretty meaningless babble that means they want their own sandbox to play in because they don’t play well with others. Karen philosophy and failure then.

August 01-06-23 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2846144)
What you found is pretty meaningless babble that means they want their own sandbox to play in because they don’t play well with others. Karen philosophy and failure then.

Meaningless babble? I found it quite readable and agree with several of it's points including it's rejection of omnibus spending bills and the lengthening of the review process.

Maybe you think that letting legislators actually read a bill (especially 1.7 trillion dollar ones) before they are required to vote on it is undemocratic or something?


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