Yes. :yep:

I believe National Geographic made a documentary about it. Was it the one where a goup of future scientists are exploring the ruins of Phoenix Ar. At least a segment of it.
Book might be more informative though, I'll keep in mind if I am able to aquire it somewhere.

That is ore-gone weather to a "t".:haha:

This.

Reread that in reference to the thread itself, not global warming.

Since the deadline for Earth's doom has passed. It would seem to me A. there was no problem or B. the problem has been solved.

What does continue since global warming was first brought up is division, political parties and governments using it to raise taxes and for political gains, even the beloved scientists say what needs to be said to get their government grant money for their studies. Now that's the problem global warming really caused. Whens the last time anyone has gotten away from their PC screen and stepped outside?

Can'T tell you, I am not getting National Geographicv. the book is kind of a follow-up to another book for which he won the Pulitzer and the British Rhone-Poulenc Science Book Prize, "Guns, Germs and Steel". But I found Collapse even more captivating. The chapters about the Norseman on Greenland, are jewels, and the different perspectives he presents on the genocide in Ruanda and the two-split developement on Hispaniola (Haiti and Dominican Republic), are compelling. The opening 80 pages-chapter on Minnesota indicates he is approaching things both from a factual and humane position, with great sympathy for the people struggling to exist in the societies that doom themselves to life or death.

It pays off when not so much a specialist for one academic branch, but a generalist with thorough academic training but experience in several different branches, examines a topic. We have far too few academics of this kind and too many "Fachidioten" deciding on our future.

Collapse

If I would have my ways, this would become mandatory reading in general school, university when studying economics or politics, and for everybody being ambitious to claim political offices.

The nice thing is it also reads very well and is very accessible.

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Imagine you're in a car travelling at 160 mph, there is a wall in front of you and you slam in the brakes, and while the car still slides with blocked wheels for dozens of meters, you philosophize the distractive question above.

Only that we do not brake at all, but press the gas pedal to the metal, trying to find excuses for not wanting to brake.

The only question is: will we just scratch the paint and bend the metal and get injuries that we can survive and recover from, or will we slam with lethal kinetic energy into that wall.

Or imagine to jump off a high cliff, and while still not having hit the ground but being in free fall and joying the flight, you take that as an excuse to assume that you will not hit the ground at all.

the only question is will we grow wings and learn to flky before reachzing the gorund, will a mahgical poarachute apopear on our back witgh us still having time to open it and slwoijng the speed so that we njust brake our legs instead of all bones in our body, or will we visit the moles head first with our feet being the only part sticking out of the earth after we "landed".

Didn't need to. I know what you meant; I was trying to get more of a chuckle than anything else, but it appears I failed miserably.:DL

I am not making this up. I was told 12 years ago that something needed to be done immediately because in ten years global warming would be irreversible. Well that deadline has come and gone seems to me somebody forgot to tell us things must have been fixed to enough degree for us to avoid the inevitable doom brought on by this global warming thingy.

But what was the source?

You really cannot see the difference between understanding that deadline of yours as fire and brimstone falling from the sky, and that deadline of yours meaning that the process of climate warming having passed that treshold level beyond which the self-dynamic is irreversible, can you?

But the latter is what seriouzs scientists mean when talking of "deadlines" for this topic of climate change.

The planet'S climate is changing constantly, and does so since millions and millions of years. The point is that normally, phases of relative climate stability last from several thousand to many millions years, and that changes take according time - while today the changes are happening apparently at accelerating speeds of up to the four digit factors range.

The characteristic of man-made climate change is not the global mean temperature this process ultimately will result in when it climaxes. The characteristic is the insane speed of climate change caused by man. what usually, in most phases of the planet'S climate, took at least hundreds of thousands of years, we have acchieved in just some dozen years, one and a half century at best.

And this at a time when an era that probably has seen the richest and widest diversity of species living simultaneously on Earth going extinct at one of the two fastest speed settings in the history of this planet, again speaking of factors in the range of three if not four digits. The other opportunities when something like this happened in Earth'S history, were global disasters of almost cosmic proportions.

Which means that by the effect it means for Earth, the existence of the human race seems to compare to said disasters.

Everybody being careful to take that as a compliment.

Human caused global warming, whatever the degree of impact, is driven mainly by human population levels. Unless we are prepared to severely limit worldwide birthrates, somehow, it is not a problem we can solve.

Not your fault I take things too literally. :dead: