That sounds like a threat. Well 79 years ago here in the US there was similar unrest. Look what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWvCCxOUsM8

A threat? the only threat is our entire monetary system, which is a ticking time bomb. Im saying when it goes down. there will me huge civil unrest, and possibly martial law to follow up.
If you worked your whole life, and your savings where wiped out, tell me what you would do?
I have a link for you too August: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71aiYq7jeM

The rate of millionaires in the senate is 140x greater than the per capita rate. 140x....

So why is it that OWS is boycotting in cities - but not washington again?

So what your saying is - that when the country goes broke because of Obamacare, refusals to reform social programs, bailouts to banks and gm, loan guarantees to solyndra and sunpower and electric car companies that produce cars in Europe, and you cant get a job because the EPA won't let business exist - your going to riot in the street because its all the fault of the rich?

Yea.... ok.....

That makes sense...

Are you suggesting that I have said these idiots are monolithic, and have a single purpose? I have said nothing of the sort. If these groups come up with an official platform, then you can hold them accountable for anything in it (wanting their college loans forgiven, for example, lol). Other than that, they are a scattered bunch, as was the tea party.

That said, it would be worth looking at the handful who are actually sleeping there to see if they have more overlap than the sort of people who show up for a 1 hour tea party rally. I have no idea, myself, but it might be interesting to know if there was some acorn-like organization someplace.

OMG I nearly rubbed one out....:rock:

People seem to think they can reinvent the wheel when they come out of college. The universities in the US are rife with professors who are nothing short of radical leftist cowards. No, I did not stereotype there. People who have done nothing in their lives but regurgitate information to developing minds and sitting around with others of the academia to posit their own inane arguments.

Who judges the worth of an educator? Of course, their own peers. Parents at this level of their child's education do not inquire much about what they are learning as they did in grade and high school. As long as their kid is putting up the grades, they are happy. This is where the socialist, liberal and progressive ideologues can shape the future into their own little fantasy land.

In order to test a theory in social sciences, one may destroy a great society because they do not agree with it. :down:

The protesters happily lump those of us in the"1%," don't they? We have jets and yachts, apparently (wish someone would tell me where mine is tied down, I'm sick of Southwest).

The point is that you need not even be skilled in the town that contains Wall Street. Most I've heard about OWS has been Planet Money, and other NPR stuff. The majority of the interviewees have been college educated. For the college educated, it is indeed fairly easy to get into the 1% if you make your goal income***8212;because they are already in the top % of people by virtue of their educations, for them it is not the top 1%, but the top ~4% for those with degrees (~27% of people have a degree). Their chances for top 1% get higher with advanced degrees. Have a 2-income family (most) and those chances double. "Top 1%" is a bumper sticker. The difference between that and the top 5% (or even 10%) is functionally nil. top 10% where virtually all are in the 27% with degrees...

It's not easy at large, but it is far easier for the protesters since they seem to be people in college (or already done) in a city where 200 grand a year means you get to live in a studio apartment.

I gave the average pay for 2 halls at LC. It was 290k. Average. (least that's what the article said for Avery Fisher, etc).


BTW, it was not my post about the WSJ polling of the 200 people sleeping there, but they are the core, and polling them is entirely legitimate. They pack up, and this fades away. They are the drivers, and what they think matters more in terms of what the movement is actually for. Many that show up "in support" probably don't even know what those sleeping there actually want.

I posted it before and will again, if it were not for unemployment benefits there would be civil unrest. Hence the extension after extension. I think we are up to 2 years of receiving benefits. This benefit is about to be extended again.
Civil unrest occurred in the Great Depression were there was soup kitchen lines and no government monetary benefits. If we truly think the benefit extension is approved for 2 years plus because the politicians really care I would say our thinking is full of fallacy. It is done to prevent soup lines and civil unrest.

"Our" entire monetary system? I wasn't aware you Brits got paid in US Greenbacks.

I'm incredibly offended at this post :down:

What about people who've done not got any substantial education their whole life, don't know their right from their left, their history from their fiction - are they perhaps better-prepared to lead a great society? People who've been shaped by Fox News and sloganizing ****less right-wing ideologues who don't even know the basics of their own history - much better? Let the country be shaped by a general lack of theory and blind practice, perhaps? What basis do you have for making this stupid generalization, anyway?

I'm sorry but as much as I'd be the first to criticize the university system, this is really barking up the wrong tree here. What's more, you're being incredibly unfair.

Clearly the answer is to go back to oral histories told around a campfire. Education and science are for the liberal elitists.

Also, just for the record, f-e-c-k-less is not a swearword. I wouldn't be cursing like that :dead:

I guess it's the same curse as those ****less ****e-Wulf and ****er airplanes that the Germans were famed for! :haha:

At least this forum is smart enough not to censor **** O'Kane, as the Ubi forum does.

Oh - so the people who are shaped by Fox News and sloganizing ****less right wing ideologues are the problem - but the people who are shaped by professors in universities who have never done any real work in their life outside academia (and remember - communism looks great academically - its simply in the real world the system fails) - who are sloganized by the ****less left wing ideologues should be the ones to be heard, right? Yea, not doing that would be "incredilbly unfair"......

Note - I did use the term f-e-c-k-l-e-s-s in case the filter freaks out.

I didn't say anything particularly in the defense of the actual type of people you're referring to - but I did say that type is an unfair generalization. It's a fiction. It's something that someone with very little understanding and very little interest in anything other than sloganeering and generalization would come up with. If that's how you really see professional academics, I say that you know nothing about the education system nor about left-wing beliefs.

Understandably, I'm offended as someone who works in education and as someone who holds left-leaning beliefs. I don't take kindly to me or my colleagues being singled out as xxxx-less in a generalized and summary manner. Particularly the suggestion that any political beliefs or theoretical concepts social scientists have are a result of self-delusion and lack of contact with the real world. Sorry, but it's at this point that I get offended. Who are you to say that? What do you know about the real world and where does your knowledge come from? How do you know that people like myself live in some sort of sheltered shell? Sorry, but this runs sharply and painfully against my own personal experience. And again, I say that as someone who's in no romance with academia as such; but don't you touch the people. To me this rings about as fair and appropriate as someone running around yelling "baby killers" at US soldiers. And if some academics did something that, okay, they deserve flak personally. If they really are spoiled marxist brats, sure. But people like me and my many colleagues don't deserve this for what they may have done. And, I assure you, they are a small minority.

CCIP, are you a Candian citizen or US? I stated US universities. Secondly I stated rife with, NOT all. If you do not fit in that mold, I give you my thanks. Unfortunately that is what I encountered when I pursued my undergrad degree is sociology, I know ironic. It is my opinion, from my observations. Spirited discourse and inter locution amongst folks who can actually form an argument and back them up is what the world needs right now more than anything else.

Gravity is something I can observe, feel and explain. It cannot be slanted by a professor's attitude or feelings about it.

Social theories are not so much, but can be skewed heavily by the person who is teaching it. Now you add statistics in the mix and you open up that can o' worms.

My main beef with academia (other than pure sciences) is that there is a huge disconnect with theory and what actually happens in real life. It's a laugh roaring riot when you have a new social worker or crisis counselor working in an ER. They are shocked when you suggest that a person is lying. Fast forward 6 months later and they have their epiphany. Utopia only exists in the minds of the misguided.

I forgot my credentials: BA in sociology, 19 year veteran of the 2nd largest police department in the US who has been a field sergeant for the last 4 of those years.