Worse yet is the food stamps that are 'traded' for cash and the money used to buy drugs.

It is already known that the healthcare bill in its current form is unsustainable. But the thinking is they will figure out how to pay for it later.

Haha, yeah, I caught that part. "It's the post office that's always having problems." :haha: Ermm...the post office... not a good example. They are the govt. run company.

I bet he wishes he had that one back.

But, overall, he answered a lot of questions about "universal" and "single payer" solutions. If he's sincere. He has the votes in Congress, I don't see how this is not going to happen in one shape or another. We're moving closer to a nanny state, and the majority rules. It will be a mess for our grandkids to deal with, no doubt.

open mouth, insert foot.:haha:. How did he get elected again? What a dope.:doh:

And you're right about it being held when most people are at work. I'm currently unemployed, so I got to see it.

Ok Mookie - I am calling you out on this one. You said you wanted a rational debate on the merits of the bill. I challenged you in quoting from the bill on the matter of private insurers being forced out due to the requirement in the bill that any entity offering insurance other than the government must take a loss defined by the government. You have avoided a response. Not found a talking point that has relevance?

Must have missed that. Will go back and see.

That happens - and I am glad to see your open to the discussion.

You can find the issue here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...52&postcount=8

Well then that makes you the target audiance. Doom and despair and all that.

Desperate times call for desperat measures something must be done and done NOW... and all that.

What did they say "Never let a good crisis go to waste" ?

It was a 'stacked' audiance but you cant really cavetch about that a republican would have done the same thing. But to call it a town hall meeting is a bit of a stretch.

September/October are going to be a couple of hot months in the US Congress ...

They have the party, but they don't have the votes to pass anything that resembles a health care bill that a majority of Americans can all agree on.

The debate on this is getting hotter, not in here, but in town hall meetings, CNN, radio talk shows, stupid pass around emails misinforming and informing others of what they think is getting a lot of attention.

If anything gets passed it will be so lukewarm it will have to be recalled to fix it or just go ahead and put it on the back shelf.

Get everybody back to work :yep:

Yeah, I probably am the intended audience: baby boomer, middle class, unemployed. I jes don't scare that easily :)

It may have been a stacked audience, it's hard to tell these days with extremists on both sides.

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No matter what the issue, I detest hysterical people. :down:

I'm just glad Sarah Palin wasn't there.

hysterical? maybe

however i can sympathize with the guy

I have only spent about 20 of my 30 years really watching this country go to hell one piece at a time. Be sold up the river one piece at a time. the politics grow uglier and the divide grows more and more vast each year i gaze upon it.

he has spent perhaps 50 years watching it happen.

nothing is more vehement and charged than the citizens of a free democracy who feel they have lost their voice.

of late, especially, congress has been ignoring the majority on some key issues.

such a tuning out is most unwise.

we must always remember that Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

such consent... i feel... is waning.

the thing about divided nations... the division is critical at 50/50.

look at nearly any poll on any issue and you can see how close we are to this critical mass.

Go read Ayn Rand then.

:haha:

Ironically/sadly enough, I ran into this exact problem today.

Heh, one other time I was behind a woman and her boyfriend (I'm guessing) trailing 5 kids, buying about $18 worth of groceries. She was digging through her purse, unable to find her Quest card (our version of foodstamps), and her boyfriend mentioned that she could just pay with her $50 bill instead. She replied: "Hell no! I'm takin' that money to Potowatami!"

Potowatami is our local casino.

I couldn't help myself from saying audibly that I'm glad our taxpayer dollars are funding her gambling.

I just watched a program of The Daily Show yesterday, probably a couple of days old, but still... they made fun of those extremists yelling: "Obama scares us" or something. Just the look of the face of Jon Stewart afterwards made it all worth.... :har:

Beautifully in a democracy, you, that guy and everybody else then have the choice to run as candidate for a politically career and see if you can do it better.... :yeah: