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Skybird 05-15-11 05:11 PM

Germany has just had one of the warmest Aprils in our history of wqeather records. It is so dry that farmers already say that they will have 10-20% less crop this year.

Your photos shownothing, Betonov. "weather" is not the same as "climatic trend". Your photos show weather. Now watch these photos which illustrate climatic trend:

http://www.gletscherarchiv.de/fotove...c71dfb56b25476

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Glacier_Gallery

http://www.whiteearth.org/WhiteEarthScience.html

http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming..../glaciers.html

Etc. etc. etc. There3 is plenty of comparing photograpohy showing glaciers back several decades, and today. The differences are striking, sometimes scaring. Use Google.

Inm Germany, ten days ago or so they have just started to cover a major glaciuer ski ressooirt with sun-reflecting foil, like they use to do it in sevewral places in the Alpes since years, in Austria, Switzerland. The loss of ice is so immense now that it already threatens the perspective of ski-depending tourism beyond the next 15 years.

And that is no weather phenomenon. That is longterm climate change.

The summer is predicted to become damn hot over here.

Also, take into account that a wearming climnate nevertheless can produce paradox or regional counter effects. Warming oceans - change in the dynamic of ocean currents caused by the differenc ebetween cold and warm water masses - changes in climatic moves of the atmosphere (moisture, temperature.

Other indsices: chnages in the spreading of botanic and zoological species - species depending on warmth and moisture are now conqwuering and are to be seen in regions where before they were unknown because they could not survive there, it was too cold. Most well-known examples are the march of the Tiger mosquito and the anopheles mosquito into europe. But there are many more, and the lion's share of such indics are with plkants anyway.

Plancton's and algas' distribution pattern in the ocean also chnage, and indicate that the oceans become warmer.

And that is just some argument on the matter.

magic452 05-15-11 05:49 PM

We had a little snow here in Reno this morning as well. We're at 4500 ft.(1500 meters) not that unusual. Got several inches at the higher elevations, 7000 ft and above (2350 meters)

We have had near record snow fall this season, 200% of normal but this spring has absolutely sucked big time. Lots of cold temps and wind with very few sunny days, worst spring I have seen here in 30 years, just one storm after another.

If there is global warming I sure wish it would get here sometime in late March and not late May.

Magic

MH 05-15-11 05:56 PM

Agree....aside this left vs right climate politics lol.

Weather is shifting drastically.
It was raining here today which usually never happens at this time of the year but in overall summers are hooter while there is less rain in the original winter period.
We are running dry.The country has to recycle and distillate water.

I don't know who is correct and what exact reason for that is.
It may be overall climate change but on another hand thinking that all billions of people with all the industry and pollution have no impact on the planet whatsoever seems a bit ridiculous.
Probably its both.

Yeah environmentalism is big business etc.....

Rockstar 05-15-11 07:09 PM

What do Earth and Mars have in common? Both have simultaneous warming and reduction of polar ice caps.

Now, what do Earth and Mars NOT have in common? Man made CO2 emissions, SUV's, party polotiks, Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh.



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MH 05-15-11 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 1664689)
What do Earth and Mars have in common? Both have simultaneous warming and reduction of polar ice caps.

Now, what do Earth and Mars NOT have in common? Man made CO2 emissions, SUV's, party polotiks, Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh.

Either way we are screwed? :haha:
Maybe Al Gore came from mars?

Skybird 05-15-11 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 1664689)
What do Earth and Mars have in common? Both have simultaneous warming and reduction of polar ice caps.

Now, what do Earth and Mars NOT have in common? Man made CO2 emissions, SUV's, party polotiks, Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh.
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http://www.grist.org/article/mars-an...re-warming-too

And before the next dubious theory gets mentioned: No, the vulcanic activity on Io and the resulting earthquakes, and the earthquake that hit Japan, have nothing to do with each other, and are not caused by the same cause. :|\\

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The stunning thing about global climate change is the mere speed by which it takes place.

mookiemookie 05-15-11 07:31 PM

Unfortunately, idiots conflate politics and science. To all of our detriment. :nope:

Crazy weather there. Lovely day here in Houston. :sunny:

Anthony W. 05-15-11 07:41 PM

Well, here in my town we've broken records for coldest dates and months and highest snowfall totals this year

razark 05-15-11 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1664705)
Crazy weather there. Lovely day here in Houston. :sunny:

Seriously need some rain, though. I'm afraid the kids might fall on the lawn and break something.

Rockstar 05-15-11 08:12 PM

Here in Tangier we're enjoying a great spring with 70 degree temps in the day and 60's at night, blue skies and beautiful beaches. Feels as if we might bypass summer and go directly into fall.

Getting that itch to go cruising again. Maybe to the Caribbean and hide myself from all the global warming in those crystal clear waters or the shade of a tiki hut or gazebo.

nikimcbee 05-15-11 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1664464)
Wowee, that's cold. We've been enjoying really nice weather here in Texas, except for the lack of rain, But as a motorcycle rider, that's a bonus. :)

If you like Rain, you need to come and visit me. All the rain you can handle w/o the fireants or killer bees.:up:
You may become manic depressive though.:dead:

Betonov 05-16-11 12:50 AM

Just woke up to a beautifull sunny morning :sunny:

And Skybird, I meant to post those pictures as weather :DL, not climactic trend. Enjoy the scenery, we did, it was an interesting day

Growler 05-16-11 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1664401)

Notice there's nothing for 2011? These are "consequences" that aren't all bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1664624)
And we tried so hard to keep this from happening. Sorry I contributed. :dead:

Well, don't drive so much, get your local cows to stop farting, and stuff like that, and you'd not contribute, and we'd all live in igloos, even Neal. :har:

Rockstar 05-16-11 01:35 PM

Well we have without a doubt years ago passed the ten year mark. The deadline set by 'science' of our certain death by global warming. Looking at the reality of things based on comments here it looks pretty nice outside doesn't it? Yes it may get hotter in the next few months. But don't be discouraged or fear, it's what we called when I was growing up summer. It's a good thing.:yeah:

Skybird 05-16-11 02:08 PM

Out of sight - out of mind.

People do not want to care for man-made climate chnage. As long as the results are following generations' problems and not their nown, they are quite comfortable witgh the idea of no adressing anything. Especially not as long as there may be - or has bee - time.

Because with time, it is like this: out of sight, out of mind.

We play this game since decades. Regarding debt reduction. Regarding various national internal affairs. Regarding environmental issues.

Le the next generation solve it - by always saying/implying/demanding that the next generation should solve it.

Nice breed we are. So - loving for our children and their children. Our time management works like Geithner and Bernanke try to solve the financial debts of the US: by borrowing more money, spending more money, but enver considering when and how to pay backl debts.

It's just that with nature you can'T make such deals. Environmental protection is not about saving the planet, but first and foremost is: protection of humans and saving them. That is what some smart minds just don't get.

I once again recommend to read Jarred Diamond: Collapse. How Societies Chose To Fail Or Succeed. Should teach everybody a lesson to realsise how often our way of behaving have already been done in the past cneturies - spelling disaster for regional civilisations around the world, wiping them out both culturally and biologically.


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