Is this the beginning of the "consequences?"

Jolly bad show!:nope:

Somebody might let V off his leash if they're not careful.

We may see a little fight between two supporting systems of our true regents.

Media and the secrecy branch go into clinch. Media will start to use its power to uncover some disgusting secrets and the black hats will start to chop up media rights.

My hope is, we will gather enough motivated ones during the battle to roll the whole mess downhill. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/imag...es/piratey.gif

This thing with the Guardian is unbelievable :nope:
So much as for western democracy.
In german reports was said the british government itself applied pressure to the Guardian, to destroy evidence. Yeah it seems the real powers in being are taking us downhill to the black side, and fast. But I don't think of media and politicians as 'powers' here.

I wonder what this evidence in the Guardian building was about :hmm2:
Surely something to help the common people, and all perfectly in line with law and order. We need a mid-finger icon methinks.

OT I wonder what comes up when they open the archives a hundred years after the end of WW1.
a) they will not open it
b) most evidence will be 'accidentally' destroyed.

It really seems there is a war beginning, but it is between the free educated people, and the secret services of the world.

Not sure what's going on right now...

The true regents - our owners - use the state apparatus as a tool to rule the people.
The state has a special branch - the secrecy branch - to spy on the people.
But now they spy on the regents too. An unwanted feed back loop has been established.

Additionally the regents are no homogenous group but a wild pack of wolves with own interests on the prey.
They gather to hunt down the tax money but are well aware of their competition for dominance.

The military industry is one of these wolves and now in special cooperation with the secrecy branch.
They have information available about all the other regents and they managed to get the dominant part of the taxmoney - directly in the US and more indirectly in Europe.
They make their business not with private persons, but with states who pay with taxmoney.
Therefore they have to create a constant demand on weapons. One way is to stay in war, destroy weapons to sell new ones - and another is to frighten tax payers around the globe.
Al Qaida and global terror are the tools of choice - under control of the secret services - mastered by the military.
A third way is to sell weapons on credit and make other tax payers to guarantee for the credit (Europe).

The military economy and its secret services grew dominant - at least equal to the finance masters.
They will overrule them due to their advantage on information.

The media - a tool of the rulers to manipulate the people - is not under control of the military nor the secret services.
They are tool of the media regents - compagnion of the other regents - with the special task to provide wide accepted truth and motivation.

We observe the media to be in clinch with the secret services right now. Trying to provide peoples motivation against the secret services surveillance.
A proxy war between the regents pack and the military alpha wolf - for tax money and against the unwanted espionage feed back loop?

Butt sniffing dogs should be shot on sight.:shucks:

It was not about the stuff on the HDs, you can be certain. The GCHQ knows as well as any teen in front of a PC that it is so easy to make digital copies of digital data. So, that data most likely has not been destroyed at all. And GCHQ knows that.

Nevertheless they insisted on a display of physical force applied.- That is a psychological lesson taught, and has little to do with the data's content. It was about visualising a means of intimidation.

Not Snowden's data are the goal of this act, but the effort to silence free press, to intimidate journalists.

GCHQ stands for "Government's Communication Headquarter". Der Name ist Programm. It shall be the government's communication, and the government's alone. No other sources of free, independent information.

The White Housetries the same in Washington.

In Germany, politicians by routine try to prevent the broadcasting of TV material that they do not like, and try to put pressure on the various Intendanten. Plus that the posts of the Intendanten is bitterly fought over by politicians, to make sure they get the names that are in line with their party's propaganda.

Not TV news - government-conformal propaganda.

It's those damned lizard people I tell ya!:shifty:

A German interview with Greenwald where he confirms his assessment that governments abuse the fight against terror for securing more power over their people for themselves and that the action ordered by Cameron to physically destroy hard drives, or to hold his partner in arrest for 9 hours where they could have taken his USB sticks in 9 minutes, is not about controlling the material (which is globally distributed already), but is about personal intimidation in order to gag journalists and silence free press. He also says that he likes that Snowden keeps a low profile and does not appear in the media, that way his intention and the material he leaked is being focussed on, not the person. He regrets that instead he himself - Greenwald - now has been focussed on by the media, but that it is neither intended nor that he has control over that.

http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschu...omplettansicht


In Vietnam there was this US general who said that in order to save the village they had to destroy it. I think they are doing the same with freedom and civil rights and free press now, and call it "fight against terror".

Shhh, you'll spook him! :)

Your gonna love this:
Journalist? Govt Will Decide That For You

Well, the mass that people are will not follow reasonable dcisons, even if the argument illustrating the reaosnability is laid out before there eyes, but they will follow different natural laws of human behaviour, psychological laws. And on these laws of behaviour, which are really frightening if you consider their reach and the power and inflou7enc eover man, there still is maybe no better work ever being written than this old one from 1895, by Gustave Le Bon: "Psychologie des foules" (in German "Die Psychologie der Massen", in English "The crowd. A study of the popular mind"). It's one of the best, most influential and most profound books ever written in the whole branch of psychology. This bible of mass manipulation has served many dictators, agitators, propagandists, lobbyists and last but not least: ordinary politicians greatly.

Two editions:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Crowd-Stud...Gustave+Le+Bon

http://www.amazon.com/The-Crowd-Stud...Gustave+Le+Bon

What is a great and realistic, unsentimental observation of the mechanism for installing and persevering political power, is Machiavelli's "Discorsi". I hold Machiavelli in high esteem, for one has to realize he did not give recommendations for moral or immoral behavior, but what he did was giving as objective as he could an observation of what political behavior achieves what results, without commenting these results. He was the first real political scientist, so to speak. Not always right, but far more competent and uncorrupted, unsentimental and precise than many academical political scientists today. I think the discorsi are more profound than "The prince", but maybe that is due to the wider focus. Sharp observations of the mechanisms of power-politics they are both.

These two together are one of the reasons why I am usually anything but optimistic about the behaviour of crowds in democracies, and why I dislike crowds - the canaille - so very much. And why I think hat politicians will not be stopped by "us", the so-called people, at least not before anything is too late anyway.

They say that Goebbels always carried a copy of Le Bon with him. Maybe that is a story only, but he certainly had studied him for sure. And look what he was capable to achieve in manipulating the huge crowds!

Regain control at all costs.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-military-base

The Guardian is widening the support basis for its Snowden material reporting. After German Der Spiegel, cooperation with the New York Times has been formally announced regarding the Snowden material.

Meanwhile, the latest revelation regarding the Snowden material comes from Der Spiegel, quoting that the NSA has routinely spied on the UN's highest offices and bodies by having bugged the room sin the building which was fully renovated some time ago - an opportunity to have mikes and wires installed durting the construction phase. It is also quoted that the NSA has full access to the internal computer, server and comm system of the UN building.

If true, this is a violation of a treaty from 1947 in which the US guaranteed the immunity of the UN offices so that right this kind of spying would not happen.

It was the German Spiegel edition. Let's see if they bring it in their international edition tomorrow, too.

Already out over here Skybird,lol These guys at the NSA are out of control!!:nope:

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ied-on-eu?lite