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Platapus 04-20-13 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by donna52522 (Post 2044460)
I am not sure if a Police officer is the same as a college police officer...I have been told and heard (though it maybe wrong) that college cops are not even allowed to carry side arms. They are not full fledged Police.

Like most legal questions concerning the US, the answer is Yes, No, and Maybe.

It depends on the jurisdiction. Campus police can run the spectrum from less than a rent-a-mall-cop all the way to a sworn law enforcement officer.

If I had to make a generalization across all the jurisdictions, I would opine that most campus police are sworn law enforcement officers although many may only have jurisdiction within the campus boundary.

Vince82 04-20-13 04:34 PM

Revengefull bunch of people here. What do you think the Tsarnaev brothers were thinking about?

mookiemookie 04-20-13 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by swamprat69er (Post 2044450)
Who in U.S. of A. really cares whether or not he gets a 'fair' trial.

Me. We stick to our principles because they're our principles. Giving them up when it's convenient is cowardly.

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Give him the same trail he gave the 8 yr. old kid who just wanted to give his Dad a hug, the same trial he gave the MIT cop. That is all he deserves.
He deserves the rights and process laid out in the Constitution.

mapuc 04-20-13 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 2044469)
Me. We stick to our principles because they're our principles. Giving them up when it's convenient is cowardly.

He deserves the rights and process laid out in the Constitution.


Well said, we are a civilized people.

Markus

WernherVonTrapp 04-20-13 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2044398)
He won't have any room mates.

You're right, if he's charged, sentenced and committed Federally. On the other hand, if he's charged, sentenced and committed on the State level, he may very well have a roommate.
The inherent weakness in our Justice system is in protecting the "innocent until proven guilty" predilection. Not that this is a bad thing, but it can easily lead to a miscarriage of justice. Justice isn't always commensurate with the rules of law or what is (or isn't) considered Humane Treatment of suspects or convicts. It can get pretty complicated and philosophical. Skybird actually touched upon some of those points in one of his posts.

I'm actually indifferent about the death penalty. The most obvious danger in imposing the death penalty, is that someone who is actually innocent may be executed, despite all the apparent evidence at his trial. It has already happened in the past and even one error is too many.
On the other hand, how many convicted murderers are enjoying a better standard of living and a diet of three meals a day when so many in this country are living below the poverty level, maybe with one meal a day if they're lucky. That's only dealing with the issue of meals, not television, internet access or other privileges that are paid for by law abiding, tax paying, citizens.
I don't see any easy answers, but I do think that being convicted of a crime should negate certain privileges they would otherwise have as a law abiding citizens.

eddie 04-20-13 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince82 (Post 2044464)
Revengefull bunch of people here. What do you think the Tsarnaev brothers were thinking about?

I can't get into the mindset of someone who would do something like this. Have no clue why you would just kill innocent people who have done nothing to you, they were just watching a marathon. The same applies to the bombings in London, or when they blew up the trains in Spain. Everyone asks themselves "Why"?

Stealhead 04-20-13 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince82 (Post 2044464)
Revengefull bunch of people here. What do you think the Tsarnaev brothers were thinking about?


Being malicious most likely.The very strange part if it is true is that the younger one went to his college campus several times and went to class,and apparently hung around in the dorms as well.This was before the photos where released by the FBI.

This behavior is very strange indeed.On the one hand they plant bombs and then they just apparently went about their lives as if nothing happened.Why did they not do anything with all the weapons and bombs they had until Thursday night?

It would seem more logical to have just gone a bombing shooting spree across Mass. or New England.There is some clear irrationality to their actions after the bombings.Why not make threats and perform other attacks right away?Why not walk away form the marathon location and plant other bombs around to kill and harm people trying to walk away from the area?

I do not think that there was any rationality to their actions at all.

Oberon 04-20-13 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2044445)
Take yourself. Do you think you would be unable to be impartial about the defendant based on your feelings of the crime he will be accused of?

I would like to think that I could be, but if you were to ask me to be impartial about the July 7th bombers (had they survived) then I would struggle to do so given my thoughts and feelings about that day.

Do American jurors have to come from within the same state that the trial is taking place in?

eddie 04-20-13 09:09 PM

More then likely Oberon, still not sure where the trial will be yet.

I was watching the CBS news show 48 Hours tonight, and one of the wounds our suspect has is pretty serious. He has a bullet wound in the back of his neck, but it is an exit wound. They believe he probably tried to shoot himself, by putting the barrel of his weapon in his mouth, and pulling the trigger.

He might never speak at all.

Platapus 04-20-13 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2044487)

Do American jurors have to come from within the same state that the trial is taking place in?

Yes, all the jurors must be residents of the state in which the trial takes place, and with few exceptions, the trial must take place in the state where the crime was committed.

Article 3, section 2 para 3 of the Constitution

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The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
For federal juries, you have to be a resident of the federal judicial district.

In most states, jurors are selected from the list of registered voters in that state.

Sailor Steve 04-20-13 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince82 (Post 2044464)
Revengefull bunch of people here.

That's why the law works the way it does. Laws against murder don't just punish the guilty, they exist to prevent the chaos of vendettas.

geetrue 04-20-13 09:41 PM

Listening to the news on TV I thought the father was from Kazakhstan, but that is now proven false.

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The suspects' father, who lives in the Russian republic of Dagestan, told CNN on Saturday that he believes his sons were "never, ever" involved in the Boston attacks. He also said he plans to go to the United States
They sounded the same, but a long way from each other, plus a lot of people (not ya'll of course) thought they had something to do with the Czech Republic, but again that information is false: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...with-chechnya/

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The Czech Republic and Chechnya are nearly 2,000 miles apart, but that didn’t stop people from mixing up their geography.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Interna...0420_wblog.jpg


Now that all of that is clear ...

CBS on this evening news (like eddie reported earlier) has reported that the neck wound on the
younger brother is an exit wound in the throat area which could be an attempted suicide shot through the
mouth and went clean through.

The twenty shots fired after they cornered him in the boat came from him and not from the police or FBI.

One more item I wonder if the MIT campus policeman had a gun?

They said he was a cool campus cop and that he would run up and down the stairs with the other
students for fun in full uniform with all of his gear on.

eddie 04-20-13 10:26 PM

geetrue, they ambushed him. They just walked up to his car, and shot and killed him. He had no idea of what was about to happen to him, sadly. Never had a chance to defend himself.

eddie 04-20-13 10:31 PM

This hack or Russian puppet knows why this event happended in Boston. Would love to meet him and set him straight,lol

http://news.msn.com/world/pro-moscow...oston-bombings

Armistead 04-20-13 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie (Post 2044552)
geetrue, they ambushed him. They just walked up to his car, and shot and killed him. He had no idea of what was about to happen to him, sadly. Never had a chance to defend himself.

Not only that, the man they kidnapped stated they were laughing and bragging about what they did, including killing the cop. Really lucky for him they let him go.


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